October 20, 2007

Fighting Unreasonable Laws

News — walterj 5:32 am

There is a good article in the Washington Post about a Pennsylvannia couple, Richard Bean and Jean Rinaldi of the Double H Farm, who are trying to fight the laws that prevent on-farm slaughter and over regulate direct farm to consumer sales. The article is also important to read because it shows how not to go about fighting the law. Last session we made progress here in Vermont with the poultry slaughter. Raw milk is another big issue as is on-farm slaughter of bigger livestock. If you oppose government over regulation and micro-management of our lives then I strongly suggest checking out the article and then working to change the laws.

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10 Comments »

  1. I believe that many other small farmers like us (my husband and I)
    are so upset with all the government’s “control issues” that they don’t move.. I do e-mail my representatives often but that is all I do. Being busy on the farm is one excuse. I for one would surely be upset if my state (NH) tried to tell me that I could not slaughter and eat my own meat. What is this world coming to? Are they then going to outlaw deer hunting (which would cause an over run of deer and then all the deer would die off from disease and starvation?) People these days are not thinking!

    Comment carlene — October 20, 2007 @ 6:19 am

  2. That was a good article to read. I have been following the Neiwendorp, Nolt and Double H cases closely. This article is the most in depth description of the Double H case that I have seen.

    I agree with the sentiment that current regulation is excluding small producers and consumer choice. But I disagree with the Double H approach. I feel strongly that if you don’t agree with a law (or even a regulation), the only option is work to overturn it. Breaking the law without making it an act of civil disobedience (by atleast annnouncing it) makes it just a criminal act for personal convience / gain. Selling products as certified organic that are not is simply misleading the consumer in order to gain a sale, no better than Dairy farmers in VT employing illegal immigrants to gain a production cost advantage over law abiding producers.

    This seperates the Double H and the Neiwendorp cases. Neiwendorp took a stand against regulation by announcing to the powers that be why and how he was doing it and inviting the public to witness and join his protest.

    By using the Doube H business model, consumers are decieved, the producer is accurately labeled as a criminal, the legitimate efforts to change the law are linked to the criminal act and the law is still in place. Actions like this make it harder to change the law and move society forward.

    I feel strongly that Civilized Society is an all or nothing proposition. If I want the benefits of living in an ordered society that is governed by the rule of law, I can’t pick and choose the laws I am going to follow. I have to take part in the law making process. The alternative is having our friends and neighbors also choosing not to follow laws they find inconvenient that might be important to us.

    Just thinking in VT

    Comment Afella in VT — October 20, 2007 @ 9:16 am

  3. Please, PLEASE, it is time to stop knuckling under to these strong-arm tactics and fight back! There is absolutely nothing in the US Constitution which allows this kind of action against farmers. According to the Constitution, Amendment X, if an action is not explicitly allowed by the Constitution, it is prohibited.
    This is exactly the kind of case that can be easily won, usually before court, by turning the court back into a constitutional, Article III court. This organization, link, has won over 300 cases by using this technique, with only a handful of losses. And, you can do it yourself, without a lawyer! Most of these cases are dismissed before court, as the judges do not want their unconstitutional actions pointed out in the media. Most of the techniques can be learned by listening to the audio files on the above website.
    There IS a way to fight back. They just don’t want us to know about it!
    Dan Ecklund, MD

    Comment Dan Ecklund, MD — October 20, 2007 @ 9:54 am

  4. I’m all for “working through the normal channels” etc. to overturn NAIS and other stupid laws, regulations, edicts etc.

    Hate to pose this question but what if despite all the work done by many of us we are unsuccessful? What if it get’s stuck up our butts and we’re told sorry game over ?

    a) give up owning critters
    b) hide your animals
    c) meekly comply
    d) none of the above

    Life is like a big multiple choice quiz isn’t it?…
    “Teacher” says the answer is “c” ….What will each of us say the answer is?

    So yes in the meantime let’s keep up the good fight, but you may want to think of the
    way each of you will ultimately
    respond should a pop quiz be thrown your way. …study hard!

    Comment Bob Constantine — October 20, 2007 @ 4:13 pm

  5. In my estimation, just as when there is harm you have the possibility of suit, when there is no harm you have no truthful law-breaking….just another victimless crime due to tremendous regulattion.

    What the Double H did may not be the best way to fight, but it certainly sheds a bright light on what is happening.

    Perhaps the thing to do is sue the USDA over their “USDA inspected” label as they aren’t even inspecting the meat that they are stamping….Hmm. :)

    Comment Doreen — October 21, 2007 @ 6:12 am

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    Comment JJenseen — October 21, 2007 @ 3:53 pm

  7. Doreen you’re not trying to say the USDA can’t inspect a chicken carcass whizzing by at warp speed on an assembly line are you? :)
    Maybe they should change the label to “USDA INFECTED”?
    Might be more appropriate.

    Comment Bob Constantine — October 22, 2007 @ 6:25 am

  8. texas goat gal and all of you unbelievers in R-CALF. go to www.r-calfusa.com , punch animal identification and read the lettler sent to the usda. after reading pull out your checkbook and join them in this fight.get your brother,sister, mother and dad, friends and even people you dont like to join also. now is the time.

    Comment nick — October 23, 2007 @ 9:27 pm

  9. I am surprised that there have not been any comments on Nicks post; Everyone needs to read the letter that www.r-calfusa.com sent to Chairman Harkin of the Senate Ag Com on Oct. 23rd, asking for a moratorium to be placed on anymore premise registrations with nais, and answers to legal questions on this program; investigation into the tactics being used for premise registering, and an audit, etc. It would be great if FARFA, VICFA, and others would request the same thing…it is time to get these questions legal answers.As Nick states: go to r-calf, hit on animal ID and there is the 2 page letter by Dr. Thornsberry to Harkin….asking the hard questions.

    Comment The Phantom — October 24, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

  10. thank you Phantom. some times i wonder if we are really interested in stopping this thing (nais). to stop it it must be stopped in the cattle first and the rest will follow.to get it stopped in the cattle we must join a cattle group that is not afraid. it make no differance whether you own cattle or some other species, to beat the thing we must help these groups that are fighting for you and the things that you believe in!!!!.

    Comment nick — October 25, 2007 @ 9:55 pm

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