I have received news from several independent sources both within the government and elsewhere that the USDA Terrorist has been identified and dealt with by the internal investigators. One of the sources is Senator Kent Conrad of North Dakota who is on the Senate Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry Committee and was kind enough to send a letter to one of his constituents, Donna K, to follow up on the investigation:
Dear Charles & Donna:
Thank you for contacting me regarding a comment posted on the website www.nonais.org on August 29th. It was good to hear from you. It was good to hear from you.
As you know, a news item regarding a decision about Vermont’s farm registration program was posted on www.nonais.org. A comment posted in response to the article alluded to a bio- or eco-terrorism threat. The webmaster of the site reported the comment to the authorities, and officials have traced the poster’s IP address as coming from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA). I appreciate you bringing this event to my attention, and share your concern over this incident.
I have contacted the USDA Office of Inspector General (OIG) to share your concern over this incident. The staff at OIG informed me that they have completed an investigation into this matter. Two agents were assigned to this case and questioned the USDA employee who had posted this message. These agents then shared all of the information from their their investigation with the local USDA agency, which will have the authority to reprimand this individual.
Again, thank you for contacting me. I hope that you find this information useful. For more information on issues of importance to North Dakota, please visit my Web site at www.conrad.senate.gov.
Sincerely,
[signed]
KENT CONRAD
United States Senate
-Paper copy, scan in Technical Documents
Another source who was briefed on this matter told me earlier this week that while the IP address [168.68.129.127] that I tracked down was correct, it was not the individual pinpointed at that computer who left the message containing the threat of terrorism. Lesson: If you’re in an office environment, be sure to password secure your computer when you’re away from your desk so other people don’t use your computer to send terrorism threats.
As one of source inside the government put it, “It is very sad that it has come to this.” [that someone at the USDA is making threats like that] and “I don’t like the direction that things are going.” I agree on both points. Ironically, he and I stand on opposite sides of the issue of NAIS.
Given that the person who left the original threat is not only within our government but at the very agency that is pushing NAIS down our throats with the justification of terrorism, they should be held to the highest possible standards. One must wonder what would have happened had an ordinary citizen made such threats. Given that our Congress just passed legislation suspending Habeas Corpus for anyone accused of aiding an enemy I suspect that had someone outside the government made this threat they would simply have disappeared.
“The bill introduced Monday dropped the words “outside the United States,” which Democrats said meant that prosecutors could ignore American legal standards on search warrants within the country. The bill also broadened the definition of an unlawful enemy combatant, from anyone “engaged in hostilities against the United States” to include anyone who “has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States.”
-NY Times
This is not a good trend. Some argue that this only has to do with alien prisoners of war. But the law (S.3930, HR.6166) bars judicial review. This means that the government that arrests you and detains you does so at their sole discretion with no oversight to find out if you really are an ‘enemy combatant’. This means it could be used against you or I, citizens of the United States of American without any relief or protection by the Constitution. They merely need to accuse you and arrest you and you vanish with no rights. Are we seeing a return to worse than McCarthyism? Our rights are being chipped away bit by bit. The statue revealed from that bedrock looks strangely fascist.
In other news, Animal ID Coordinator Neil Hammerschmidt’s assistant Dore M Mobley, who was supposed to handle the Questions the USDA Won’t Answer, is no longer at her position as Public Affairs Specialist with USDA/APHIS as of this past Monday, October 16th, 2006 according to the message on her voice mail.
Hat tips to DonnaK, Sara, SC, The Grasshopper, K & DR.
Walter, the last I heard, anyone posting a threat like that would be charged with “making a terrorist threat” or something similar. The guy who made the threat against a stadium, just because he was having a contest to see who could post the scariest threat, is being charged. But a USDA employee is not charged? Nice little double standard they’ve got going…
Comment US Citizen — October 21, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
GOODBYE good ole U.S. of A. Hello Tyranny. May Jesus be merciful to those who love Him.
Comment joe — October 21, 2006 @ 2:51 pm
Yes, every day (when sharing about NAIS), people still say to me “I do not believe our Government would let anything like that (like microchipping chickens, etc.) happen.
When will it get scarey encough for most of our public?
Unfortunately, if we do not get more people to understand the truth, it will be when the rules are already in place and it will be against the Law not to follow to the letter.
Comment Carlene Wheeler — October 21, 2006 @ 7:41 pm
Ahem… Not all of us are Christian, dear Joe… Some of us believe that Jesus is incapable of being merciful or doing anything to effect the living at all, cause he’s dead… Unless you’re talking about my neighbor’s lawn guy? How about a nice, inclusive, “Lord, help us,” instead?
I’m really considering moving permanently to Iceland and just not ever coming back after this… or at least, not coming back until all this blows over and Truth and Justice and Loyalty to the Constitution reign once more in this country I really do love so very much… Of course, I’m stuck here until at least December 2007 because I have to finish my BA degree.
Does anyone happen to know if and when the Patriot Act will be up for review again? I know it was renewed earlier this year (against all good sense). And will this Military Commissions Act of 2006 come up for review at some point, the way that the Patriot Act did?
Comment Rachael — October 21, 2006 @ 7:48 pm
Rachael, unless you are a vegan, you will not be happy in Iceland. They are further down the rabbit hole than we are.
Comment Breederville — October 21, 2006 @ 8:19 pm
Walter, does this post mean that Bret Combs is claiming someone stole his identity?
Comment Breederville — October 21, 2006 @ 8:22 pm
Dr. Bret Combs has this ‘call for action’ that was in this newsletter out on Vegan Message Boards:
HUGE BSE SAMPLING IN WYOMING a whopping 86 samples 2005
September 8, 2006
BSE SAMPLING IN WYOMING
A CALL FOR SAMPLES FROM THE AVIC
Bovine spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE), commonly referred to as “mad cow disease,” is a chronic degenerative disease affecting the central nervous system of cattle.
In December 2003 a single dairy cow previously imported from Canada into the state of Washington was diagnosed as positive. As a result of this diagnosis the United
States lost many export markets for animals and animal products. To regain the confidence of other countries, we needed an extensive surveillance program to prove the United States was free of BSE. Each state was assigned a goal for the number of samples to be collected. Wyoming’s goal is 239 brain stems from suspicious cattle. To date only 86 samples have been collected. We urgently need to increase our submission rate. Your assistance is necessary if we are to come close to our goal.
We are not asking you to personally collect brain stems. All you need to do is to notify Dr. Combs office of any suspicious cases. He will dispatch a federal veterinarian to do the collection.
There are two levels of suspicion that meet the surveillance criteria.
• Highly Suspicious. These will be handled as foreign animal disease investigations.
- Cattle of any age
• Not Highly Suspicious
- Cattle over 30 months of age
- Downer/Non-ambulatory
- Other signs that may be associated with BSE such as moribund, tetanus, emaciation , injuries, etc.
- Dead - where cause of death does not preclude BSE
- CNS signs - cattle of any age
If you have specific questions or need to report a suspicious case please contact USDA-APHIS- Veterinary Services at 307-432-7960 or toll free 866-536-7593. The bottom line: we need more brains!
Thanks for your assistance.
Dr. Bret A. Combs, DVM
Area Veterinarian in Charge, Wyoming
USDA-APHIS-Veterinary Services
—————————-
So, if this is going out on the Vegan RSS feeds, is this asking for non medically trained citizens to report suspected cases of disease? Therefore, the sampling quota can be met?
And what is this quota? Who is asking for all these animals to be put down so sample quotas can be met? And why is this request going out on Net message boards?
If Dr. Combs is not the actually poster of this threat there must be a large number of people at the USDA that think just like him.
Comment Breederville — October 21, 2006 @ 8:45 pm
Excerpt from The Westerner
Jackson Hole herd headed for slaughter after brucellosis detection Some 550 cattle - a mix of Hereford and Angus Heifers, cows and bulls - are being shipped to slaughter after four of the animals tested positive for brucellosis. The slaughter process, which began Wednesday, ends an era in Jackson Hole ranching, wiping out the Porter family’s registered cattle bloodline and casting doubt on the future of the 822-acre ranch, which has been the focus of numerous development plans. But the alternative for the families running the ranch was a year of extensive testing and quarantine. About 200 heifer calves, 6 to 7 months old, will be spared by being spayed and sold to a rancher in Sublette County. Once spayed, the calves do not pose a danger, according to Bret Combs, a veterinarian with the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service….
Comment Breederville — October 21, 2006 @ 9:34 pm
Walter-We live in a day and age of images and disinformation. I would FOIA the USDA investigation for the truth. If it can still be found.
Comment Celeste — October 21, 2006 @ 9:50 pm
Hey, Rachael ~
Lighten up! We really don’t need to be sarcastic with each other over our religious beliefs. No one is asking you to believe in Christ, let alone ‘love’ him. Some of us do, and some may not.
It is probably wise for us to accept our differences, in fact respect them, if we are going to work together on an issue as important as this is in all of our lives.
I hope we will each feel comfortable in contributing our insights and expertise to the effort. I would not have been offended had someone said, “Allah be merciful to those who love him.”
These events sometimes do seem beyond our human capacities to intervene and turn the tide against us. A prayerful outburst may be the only effort an overwhelmed person is capable of at that moment. I often feel that way. Bless Joe’s heart for sharing his hope with all of us.
I am not able to move to Iceland. I’m going to need to stick it out here in North Dakota with my Catholic husband, my assorted critters, subzero temperatures for weeks on end in the winter, wind and drought in the summer, and a 126 mile round trip drive to the nearest LDS Church every Sunday.
I believe that the Creator - whatever name we ascribe - is merciful to even those who do not love him and/or her. In my belief system the Creator’s greatest gift to us is that of agency to act for ourselves and to experience consequences directly related to each choice we make.
From that perspective, the only belief systems we should not tolerate are tyranny and totalitarianism. They deny us our free agency. That is exactly the reason we are all in this scrap.
[Yes. Please do leave religious and political affiliations at the door. This issue, of protecting our traditional rights to farm, crosses political, religious, cultural, state and national boundaries. We are fighting for our fundamental rights to livestock, to grow food, to live our lives without undue interference. Focus on the target. -WalterJ]
Comment donna — October 21, 2006 @ 10:19 pm
It goes without saying that the USDA is infested with “career bureaucrats” which translated means “parasites” these type of govt agentcies like most all govt agentcies produce nothing but consume much.(our time and money as well as our peace of mind) These people therefore have to conspire to come up with reasons to try to “justify” their jobs. In this case by generating and preying on a climate of “fear” of disease and terror that gives them almost free reign to harrass and bedevil folks so that they can say to the unelightened masses and others that they have been “protecting” Americas food resources and that if they were not on the job, why those dumb hick farmers and homesteaders would be poisoning all the innocent, unsuspecting consumers with their “organic and naturally raised food stuffs” . No, you folks “need” us to protect you from whatever “boogyman” we say is out there, after all, we are from the government and we want to help you! No thanks!! We do not need that kind of help. Anyhow I thought it was interesting the last statement that this “Bret Combs” made was so full of truth when speaking of the USDA (emphisis are mine)
If you have specific questions or need to report a suspicious case please contact USDA-APHIS- Veterinary Services at 307-432-7960 or toll free 866-536-7593. The bottom line:
WE NEED MORE BRAINS !
Thanks for your assistance.
Dr. Bret A. Combs, DVM
Boy, did he say a mouthfull and I agree wholeheartedly, a lack of “brains” seems to run in the govt, but I don’t really see how we can “assist” them, you either have one or you don’t! Have a great day folks!
Comment LEE — October 22, 2006 @ 9:38 am
I’m sorry but if the terrorist threat is dropped by this website, shame on you. That is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard- the USDA has taken care of the problem-HA- they probably gave the guy a promotion for god’s sake! The USDA acting like the law enforcement system that handles terrorist threats is like somebody working at McDonalds that makes a terrorist threat and instead of having them arrested, we tell the McDonalds owner to handle it! How stupid is that?? The USDA has NO AUTHORITY to handle a terrorist threat, especially when they made reference to wanting to start the problems in the SW, which is where we just had the organic spinache disaster(sabbotage). I believe it was sabbotage, by the way- somebody takes a little poo from the neighboring cattle farmer and drops it in the irrigation- sabbotage is done, and that guy just made direct reference to that area.
This guy needs to be treated in the same midievil way any other citizen would be treated now- thanks to no longer having a Habeas Corpus to protect us.
To settle for the update of, “Oh, that man has been reprimanded..” by some corrupt and collaborating Senator is to say then “ok, yes we are all stupid, and thank you for the comprehensive and thorough investigation.”!!
I say that guy should once again be reported to the Sheriff, the DA, the DoHS, and heck, contact the President and the CIA so everyone who pays attention to this website knows that every person who would be held accountable for letting this guy off the hook, knows full well that a serious threat came directly from a USDA authority, and then any lack of action can be credited to the appropriate person(people) involved.
To let this revealing incident fall by the wayside would be a very serious mistake.
By the way, if not Iceland, how about argentina?? :)
Comment Sabrina — October 22, 2006 @ 10:54 am
Sabrina, please reread the article, especially the discussion surrounding “One must wonder what would have happened had an ordinary citizen made such threats.” Then realize that I do not control the USDA, or the FBI for that matter, who I also reported this too. You, as a citizen can take action. Write to the USDA, the FBI, your legislators and whomever else you can think of. We need more protection from our own government run amuck than we do from outside terrorists. Cheers, -WalterJ
Comment walterj — October 22, 2006 @ 11:15 am
I wondr why we never herd about this terrorism threat in the paper????? NEWSDAY and all of them should have picked this up. Our own goverment making terrorist threats against us!!!!!! Whatz netx? Torture? Imrisment without a trial??
Comment PV — October 22, 2006 @ 3:32 pm
It would seem when you work for the Waffen SS you receive extra-legal treatment. However if you are Joe Football, it’s medical experiments for the lot of you.
Why does it say,”Please add 10 and 0″ underneath the comment box? Is this some kind of Mensa test?
[The idea is you have to prove you are human - you passed. :) The little math problem is an attempt to stop scripty-spambots from leaving comment spam. This has been a bit of a problem. It is a simplistic approach. I had tried using a WordPress Plugin called “BadBehavior” that was supposed to stop spammers but it appeared to be stopping legit readers too on occasion so I turned it off for now and am trying the math problem instead.
Comment doreen — October 23, 2006 @ 6:34 am
Well, hey Walter, I lost my whole train of thought there because I did not answer the question. All I got was “Answer the question” and my painstakingly thought out comment was blown off the page. I’m always overly careful of taking that first step into the unknown.
I’ll try once again and hope I will be able to answer the question.
In Comment 7 there is a link to the Wyoming State Veterinary Newsletter dated September 2005. On page 8 you will find an announcement about the B.ovis test protocol used at the lab. Brucella ovis is a sheep type brucellosis. I quote:
“this is a suboptimal test. Multiple AAVLD-accredited laboratories, including ours, experience a high number of inconclusive test results, as well as false positives. This is not acceptable.”
Is it possible that the Porter Family’s entire herd of 550 registered cattle were slaughtered based on 4 animal’s test results using a similarly ‘unreliable’ testing protocol?
Jackson Hole real estate is indeed highly desirable. Who got the commission on the sale of the Porter Ranch? Looks like their Governor is game for just about anything.
Now, do I type the 1 and the 6 into the little box, or do I copy the whole sentence into the box, or do I find the sum and put that into the box?
[Oops… Sorry about that! I’ll adjust the message. You should be able to just use the back on your web browser to return to your comment and try the question again. Just add the numbers together or what ever it asks. -WJ]
Comment donna — October 23, 2006 @ 8:00 am
Walter: Once again you have shown your technological expertise in solving the spambot problem in a way that all of us can live with. If answering your simple question before submitting a comment will help you, then I am certainly willing to help.
And let’s all remember that it was Walter’s technological expertise that identified the ip address for the computer at USDA that originally posted the threat.
I think that Walter has handled the problem in exactly the right way from day one up to and including the present.
Now that we have learned the USDA response to the posted threat, we can proceed to contact anyone and everyone who we might think that the issue needs more publicity and perhaps more legal action against the perpetrator.
Comment Neil W. — October 23, 2006 @ 8:11 am
Folks: I notified my local newspaper and also the Associated Press and also Fox News about the most recent developments re: the threat which originated from a USDA computer and the subsequent identification of the person who typed the threat.
How do we know the “rank” of the USDA employee who posted the threat? How do we know that USDA will actually take any action against the employee? If any of us had posted a similar threat using our employer’s equipment, could we expect the same consideration?
Comment Neil W. — October 23, 2006 @ 10:16 am
You do have a point, Donna. I do apologize for any offence that my comment caused. I am overly sensitive to such issues due to a traumatic incident which occurred to me between the ages of 2 and 4 involving overzealous Christians in my own family that seem to have left me scarred for life and I tend to have knee-jerk reactions, which I regret and am still trying to control - not always successfully. I only ask that other people leave their religious (and as Walter said, political) affiliations at the door too, since neither have any place in this fight.
Breederville… Yes, Iceland because I have years of archaeological/historical research I want to do there anyway if I choose the University of Iceland as my graduate school. It’s on my short-list, along with the University of Uppsala in Sweden… I’m not a farmer, I just have (probably) pipe-dream aspirations to be and my parents have significant pasture land in VA that I could use if I wanted to. And I’m young and naive enough to be an idealist about the way American principles should apply to US law and policies, and so I am greatly concerned about NAIS.
But Iceland “further down the rabbit hole” how? Because I am *totally* not a vegan. As far as I know, Iceland only has a ban on importing animals into Iceland in order to keep disease out and their breeds pure (which I see no reason to object to as the animals there are perfectly adapted to the climate). And although within Iceland they do have policies that limit where in the country one can move some live animals (such as sheep) in order to prevent the spread of certain diseases, they have a widespread artificial insemination program to keep the gene flow healthy. In addition to their Icelandic cattle, sheep, chickens, etc they have lots of fish and also puffins, which they eat for meat, and dairy from cow and sheep milk is so popular it’s practically a diet staple. And since the country has less than 300,000 citizens (less one-third the population of the county I live in) and is the 7th least densely populated country in the world, I figure, how big could Big Agro-Business really get there?
Am I misinformed? Has the Icelandic government instituted a NAIS-like system that has driven small farmers in Iceland out of the business and made animal products so expensive there that one would rather become vegan than pay the higher prices?
Also, to anyone who might be interested, I’ve updated by website (link) a bit. I’ve added form letters for the 2007 Farm Bill and a form letter to send to Candidates before Election Day. Links to the official Farm Bill comment forms are provided, but candidates’ info you’ll have to find for yourselves.
And apparently, I’m not a real human, because I keep getting the question wrong…
[Don’t worry, Rachel, you are real. :) If this math challenge question technique doesn’t work for people I’ll remove it. Let’s give it another day. Email me if you are unable to leave comments. -WalterJ]
Comment Rachael — October 23, 2006 @ 3:47 pm
I completely disagree, with the politics and religion, NOT being a part of tyranny. Just what is religion is it does not involve the AMish, or MY religion violations in NAIS? You people, will never defeat NAIS with such limiatations on “reality.” Also running away from your home country, will solve “nothing.” I have nothing further to say to you all, on this issue.
[Dean, politics and religion have very much to do with tyranny. Which party is better, which religion is better is not the issue in fighting NAIS. The origin of that discussion is that on occassion some people have blamed the Republicans or the Democrats. Both parties are infringing on our rights. -WJ]
Comment DeanAFOSI (IOWA) — October 23, 2006 @ 5:13 pm
Rachael,
No harm done.
I want very much for us to reverse our country’s slide toward statism. A lot of us have been asleep while the thieves were breaking in, feeling too confident that others were keeping vigil for us while we slumbered.
I can’t tell you how wonderful it is that a young person is interested and committed to this issue, not only for its impact on an increasingly obscure lifestyle some of us have chosen, but for your vision of what this means for your future choices. (My adult sons have only a vague notion of what NAIS could do to the future of this nation. They consider their mom to be a bit over zealous in her ‘interests’.)
My thanks for your energy, your intelligence, and your vision.
Comment donna — October 23, 2006 @ 9:49 pm
We are in for one wild ride here and I don’t think “We, The People” will come out shining. Too many things around the world are going backwards. NAIS is just a very small peice of it. Hang on people, it will get worse.
Comment Suzy Minck — October 24, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
Walter, you clarified my concerns very nicely. Thank you.. I agree, with you, that no one should be placing specific parties or religious affiliations over another here, but I maintain that discussing religious violations of the NAIS, by chipping animals, falls under Mark of the Beast, and that is directly related to this web site and the NAIS fight.
If you don’t believe that, then You, who think that way, are also violating MY Freedom and Right’s under the Bill of Rights. Freedom of speech, does not mean you “prevent” me from defending my religious rights to remain free from animal and people ID, RFID, Mark of the Beast, etc., just because you don’t believe it yourself. We either stick together, or we part ways and fend against the USDA for ourselves. The more things get discussed in NAIS, the more I see people will NOT unite, they have to many personal prejudices, and attitudes. It really disgusts me, when people have written me and said, I don’t help people, just because I do things differently that most people who are regular. I have never treated others in THAT way, and it makes me ill, to think it comes my way, from so called, people allegedly on the team of NoNaisers. You don’t win battles like that. especially government battles, when they hold all the cards on NAIS being implemented.
Also, if anyone thinks that politics doesn’t play into fighting NAIS, then you are sadly mistaken, because that is “exactly” what is being played in Congress and the USDA here against us. Don’t believe me, take a look at Lobbiest’s and their gratuities. If that’s not politics, then I don’t know what is! Thanks Walter, again, for the in site.
Dean A. Ayers
IOWANS AGAINST NAIS
The “No FEAR” NAIS fight site.
PS Walter I forgot my calculator, , I can’t solve your math problem LOL!
Comment DeanAFOSI (IOWA) — October 24, 2006 @ 3:18 pm
I’m not sure I understand where the idea that religion and politics don’t play into NAIS. Politics is a certainty. As for religion, while I may not have a religious reason to oppose NAIS, I completely respect those people who do. We are all fighting the same battle even if we do it for different reasons. I think the only reason to avoid specific religious references would be to show consideration for those people who have different beliefs.
Clear as mud??
[The confusion is sometimes people blame the Democrats or the Republicans for NAIS but it was created by both parties. -WJ]
Comment Barbara — October 24, 2006 @ 3:56 pm
I’m very happy to be part of this fight. Not happy that it is necessary, of course, but happy that I’m participating. Don’t want to “go gentle into that good night” and all.
I’m trying to get together a mailing list to organize and concentrate everyone’s letter efforts on a weekly basis and keep people motivated to keep the pressure on by recording the number of letters we collectively send each week. This is a strategy that was successfully employed by the “Save Our Sentinel” group of fans in getting Paramount to renew “The Sentinel” tv program for a 4th season (costing them more than $8 million). The studio was bombarded by so many phone calls, letters, and e-mails, as well as personalized fruit baskets and trinket gifts for the head of the studio, that, from what we understood, a separate phone line had to be set up and extra personal had to be hired to handle the volume. I was a part of that effort, even though I was only 14 at the time. I figure if it can work for something as trivial as a tv show, the same tactics have got to work for something that really matters, like fighting NAIS. My Anti-NAIS mailing list isn’t functional yet, but I’ll have updates on my website whenever I can (schools keeping me pretty busy). I’m hoping by the end of this year, the organized letter writing campaign will be up and running.
I’ve also contacted all of the candidates I’ll be eligible to vote for in the coming election asking their positions on NAIS. I have yet to hear back from any of them on the topic of NAIS, but I think it’s good to keep it in their faces anyway, especially for new people being elected so that they know when they get into office that there are people against the NAIS plan in their constituency who will vote the issue if necessary.
Oh, and I thought that this http://www.organicconsumersfund.org/voterguide.cfm , the Organic Consumers Fund Candidate Survey, might be interesting to some of us here. (Walter, you might want to post a link to that in a place on your site where more people will see it.) I sent the survey .pdf file in individualized e-mails to all of my candidates last night and I’ve already gotten one to respond personally.
My parents would probably think I’m crazy in my zealous reaction against NAIS… and probably do… but they’re used to all it by now.
[Excellent site reference, Rachel. I have added it to the right sidebar. I had thought to do something like this for NAIS but do not have the time. Celeste has been working on something. I’m not sure where she is on her project. It is a big undertaking. Watch for tomorrow’s posting which is somewhat related to this. -WalterJ]
Comment Rachael — October 24, 2006 @ 5:35 pm
That’s the point, Barbara. We need to respect each other’s beliefs and get on with solving the problem.
As to politics. The way it has become it is a set up by those pulling the strings. They have their guys on each side of the fence and maybe even in the middle every four years just to give the cynical voter something to do.
Again, we need to solve the problem not discuss our political notions.
Comment donna — October 24, 2006 @ 6:08 pm
TEXT
Taps Please
Comment Mr Dirty Nails — October 25, 2006 @ 12:03 am
Donna, I agree with you that mentioning God is important. Being “politically correct” in the way that I talk about things that effect me denies who I am in every part of ME.
Racheal and Barbara, when you ask anyone to stop mentioning God it sounds like you are actually trying to alienate them. Which is an excellant strategy if you are trying to break up a groups effort. Knock them out one at a time by stratigic attacks on their core beliefs.
Jesus is someone I won’t deny neither will I ask him to sit in the back of the bus. When you ask me not to mention him you are not asking me to take off a coat but you are asking me to cut out my Heart.
Did the mud clear-up?
Rhonda
Comment Rhonda — October 26, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
Rhonda,
I already stated that I respect people who have religious reasons for opposing NAIS, but this is not the place to get into religious discussions, and I resent your suggestion that I am attempting to break up this group for giving my opinion that specific religious references that don’t relate directly to NAIS are objectionable to people of other beliefs. This has nothing to do with trying to be politically correct. It is about consideration of other people’s beliefs. That is one of my core beliefs.
I will drop this topic now as this is not the place for it.
Comment Barbara — October 26, 2006 @ 7:00 pm
After much research into the UN policies and interests, I would have to say we all need to be looking for the guy at the top in looking for who is in charge of instigating an NAIS and RFID agenda, not only for the US but for the entire world. So the “top” guy isn’t Johanns, it isn’t the Bush Admin, it’s the UN and the World Bank. Go buy the DVD America…From Freedom to Fascism available on infowars.com It has a clear trail of who’s in charge of RFID, and it(the idea of world control) was started back in the early 1900s with the Federal Reserve Bank, and its been on their agenda to enslave America and the world. Sounds crazy for sure- sounds very paranoid,then again so does the NAIS, but watch this very pointed documentary loaded with direct interviews with key US politicians and IRS. They cover RFID as well. We’re dealing with a bigger problem source than we all thought. The UN/World Bank tells all the nations what the “agenda” is and to get going on it. The biggest problem the UN is working on is world population control. To control population they must be able to control the food supply, and as was quoted by UN officials, they use food as a tool- a reward. How better to control the population than to control the food supply to different areas through NAIS? How better to control the populations than to microchip everybody with chips that are currently able to control a host’s heartrate? Buy the dvd- it will be the best 19.95 you will ever spend.
Comment Sabrina — October 31, 2006 @ 1:55 pm