I’ve heard a number of people say that “rather than comply they will kill or sell all their animals.” Might I suggest not saying that. It just plays right into the hands of Govi-Corp.
The large producers want that last 15% of the market. They resent that you raise your own food. By being independenet, by producing your own food, you steal pennies from the rich man’s pocket. Thief!
The government resents you because by raising your own meat you are cheating them out of taxes on the food and you are cheating them out of the taxes that they would get from the employement rolls from producers and vendors. It isn’t like its your money after all!
Seriously though, don’t give up your dreams. If you give up your way of life, if you give up your livestock, if you give up your independence then you are giving in to their demands. That is what the terrorists want.
Remember the way of the wolf: “Never say die as long as you can kill.”
Walter, always the voice of reason. Thank you!
Comment arlene — September 18, 2006 @ 3:22 pm
Thank you Walter, once again, for your wisdom. We can fight this and have our way of life back as surely as the stamp act was repealed, our Nation’s freedom won, and Shay’s rebellion put an end to Government extortion of America’s first free farmers.
Our Government is determined, it seems, to rule by tyranny. The Constitution, Bill of Rights and the American way of life mean little to our leaders who want to scare us into submission with threats of terrorism, calls for safety and control. At all levels the Federal system is either corrupt or asleep and more and more “We the People” go unrepresented.
Our elected leaders no longer seem to hear or speak with the voice of the people in things that matter. If every citizen with a backbone would stand up and speak, nay Roar, their disapproval not only would our officials hear us, they would be deafened. We must shout from evey rooftop, hillock or mountain that we will not stand for a constitution-reversing government which favors tax-avoiding corporations over the rights of its citizenry. Not now, not for two more years, not ever.
Comment Podchef — September 18, 2006 @ 3:33 pm
I know what you mean Walter. My horses are like my family. I know them all personally. I would kill someone trying to harm them before I would kill them.
Comment Barbara — September 18, 2006 @ 3:35 pm
Your post is right on when you say not to give up your dream(s) because of NAIS. This effect the pet pig owner also. And like you I’ve had people tell me that they will not have any other pigs as pets just because of NAIS. This is so wrong. We need to stand up and be counted and let our government no that NAIS is the not the way to go. We each need to make that stand.
Thank you for posting as you did. Don’t give up your dream(s).
Comment Lana Hollenback — September 18, 2006 @ 3:39 pm
I’m what the government calls a “hobby farmer.” My livestock is not for sale; it is for my family’s personal use only. There is no profit for me in spending all the time and money we do to raise these animals, other than the fact that we get fresh eggs, fresh milk (which those jerks also want banned), and fresh meat that we know is not fed corn, hormones, and pumped full of toxic antibiotics. So, to stay in line with this thread, I must say I would NEVER kill my animals in order to be non-compliant. I might, however, shoot any government asshole who comes on my property to tag or confiscate my personal property. Yes, I am prepared to die in defense of my way of life!
Comment Rich Amber — September 18, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
Well said, Walter…..later, Diana
Comment Diana Flanary-Bray — September 18, 2006 @ 4:16 pm
I Agree with you Walter, never give up or give in. To do so is to render pointless the masses of individual men, women, and even children who have given up their life’s blood in past years so that we have freedom today. We, like them, in our own way, must be willing to struggle to keep our freedoms intact. Are you, are we, willing to go to prison rather than to give in to manditory slavery? It may come to that. This is no time to roll over and wet on ourselves!
Freedom loving people of other nations are watching us. As Ronald Reagan used to say, “America is the last best hope for the world.” If we can’t mantain our freedom, what hope do any of them have?
It is time for all freedom loving Americans to stand shoulder to shoulder and say “Enough is Enough!”
Comment DanielBW — September 18, 2006 @ 4:21 pm
Granted, these lessons pertain to a different issue, but the principles are pertinent to our fight to stop animal ID.
Rerad more at:
http://www.joehuffman.org/misc/disobey.htm
Remember the lessons of the 20th Century:
Lesson No. 1: If a bureaucrat, or a soldier sent by a bureaucrat, comes to knock down your door and take you someplace you don’t want to go because of who you are or what you think– kill him. If you can, kill the politician who sent them. You will likely die anyway, and you will be saving someone else the same fate. For it is a universal truth that the intended victims always far outnumber the tyrant’s executioners. Any nation which practices this lesson will quickly run out of executioners and tyrants, or they will run out of it.
Lesson No. 2: If a bureaucrat, or a soldier sent by a bureaucrat, comes to knock down your door and confiscate your firearms– kill him. The disarmament of law-abiding citizens is the required precursor to genocide.
Lesson No. 3: If a bureaucrat tells you that he must know if you have a firearm so he can put your name on a list for the common good, or wants to issue you an identity card so that you may be more easily identified– tell him to go to hell. Registration of people and firearms is the required precursor to the tyranny which permits genocide. Bureaucrats cannot send soldiers to doors that aren’t on their list.
Lesson No. 4: Believe actions, not words. Tyrants are consummate liars. Just because a tyrant is “democratically elected” doesn’t mean that he believes in democracy. Reference Adolf Hitler, 1932. And just because a would-be tyrant mouths words of reverence to law and justice, or takes a solemn oath to uphold a constitution, doesn’t mean he believes such concepts apply to him. Reference Bill Clinton, among others. The language of the lie is just another tool of killers. A sign saying “Arbeit Macht Frei” (Work Makes You Free) posted above an execution camp gate doesn’t mean that anybody gets out of there alive, and a room labeled “Showers” doesn’t necessarily make you clean. Bill Clinton notwithstanding, the meaning of “is” is plain when such perverted language gets you killed. While all tyrants are liars, it is true that not all political liars are would-be tyrants– but they bear close watching. And keep your rifle handy.
Comment Ernie — September 18, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
Walter, I want to thank you for your excellent website and all of the work you’ve done…I too am very concerned what “our” government is doing. I’m angry that right before our eyes things are happening, bad things like National I.D., NAIS, The so-called Patriot act etc.
I’m just about to start on my lifelong dream of an “active retirement” and self sufficient life style and NAIS comes along…wow talk about
a dumb idea…no I won’t kill my animals, but I will not register them either. I believe the Constitution and Bill OF Rights are under fire…it’s a damn shame and I
won’t go quietly into the night. In New Hampshire the State motto is “live free or die”…can’t get much planer than that!
The very essence of America is
at risk…I urge all readers to actively engage anyone and everyone in conversation about NAIS and direct them to the NONAIS site…don’t kill your animals, just refuse to go along with the Asinine policies that may come to pass. Thanks Again Walter and readers don’t forget to call your respective legislators, bribe your wife, your adult kids, your mother-in-law, anyone you can think of to flood ‘em with phone calls protesting NAIS
and let them know that we’ll use our votes to reward those who use common sense and represent the people, not big brother.
Comment Bob Constantine — September 18, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
Bravo! Walter.
As greater pressures are placed on industry to squeeze every last penny out of their production lines, they can’t stand to see the little guy minding his own business living contentedly. Anyone who is not as miserable as they are is not worthy to exist. So as they destroy the environment and the economy, their answer is to attempt to make us all corporate slaves, even in the name of the environment and the economy. They will enslave us all to save us all, and in the end starve us all. Better a starving corporate slave than a self-sufficient farmer!
If a terrorist attack were to kill merely the weak and immuno-compromised factory animals, that could be a stake in the heart for the pharmaceutical giants. Rather than admit the possibility that well managed, grass-fed, holistically raised, heritage breeds could save the world and survive bioattacks, their plan is to just eradicate all animals in a perimeter. Incidentally, if some government agent were to get paid off by some unscrupulous party, he could cry wolf and destroy your perfectly good animals before you had a chance to bat an eye in protest. Stalin committed genocide against Ukrainian farmers by diverting rivers with explosives. The beep of an RFID sensor is less noisy. Will UDSA commit genocide against small farmers by diverting data? Connect the dots.
If we want to have a truly effective and long-term counter plan against bioterrorism, then what ever happened to natural selection? The strong WILL survive and make terrorist weapons ineffective. But instead, the government proposes to keep the weak animals alive in factory bunkers and kill the strong, which thrive in the sunshine on the grass. Perhaps NAIS is a backup plan to cover up immune deficient industrial farming. Why are they so afraid? Maybe if they get every animal to be a factory animal, they hope no one will remember a difference, and they can rest their sweet pocket books.
Comment Someone Real — September 18, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
Very good advise, keep up the good work.
Comment Loyd Fulmer — September 18, 2006 @ 5:32 pm
Thanks Walter, Im going to make my stand with you on this issue. let me know when the Tea Party starts
Comment Ralph Packard — September 18, 2006 @ 7:45 pm
How Far Can We Go?
Comment Breederville — September 18, 2006 @ 8:39 pm
I’ll bring the tar…….
Comment David Hannes — September 18, 2006 @ 9:02 pm
last week i attened the tri state fair at amarillo tx.i went to watch the sheep show and also to pass out walters hand outs.i was surprised at the number of ag teachers,4h agents,parents,and kids that just dont know about nais and the misery it will cost them.i took it for granted that this type of people would know.this is a huge,untapped army of people that could add a large voice too your own.i would ask you to take walters hand out and go to your fairs,hit the live stock showswith these fliers and build this army. i would ask you to check out R-CALF it is on walters friendly list.DONT KILL YOUR DREAM.
Comment NICK LeCOMPTE — September 18, 2006 @ 10:02 pm
lana..right on baby..I am 67 years old..old guard..not a skin head..but,yes..we have a right to raise our own animals(sheep)for our own use without any government interferrence…I will rag on all of my representatives(liberal Californicated jerks)to fight this innane upcoming law..
Comment david gowan — September 18, 2006 @ 10:20 pm
There will be a meeting with official from MO government in favor of the NAIS in St.James, MO at the Rolla Auction Barn on Thursday, September 28th at 7:00 p.m. I saw a poster, but was not able to take one with me for more details. We must have a great turnover in order to be heard. Please get the word out and if there is ever a MARCH SOMEWHERE let us all know. I feel like we are screaming in the dark and nobody is listening. If we are not allowed to vote to stop this…are they just wasting our time?
Comment beverly — September 19, 2006 @ 1:22 am
Just a reminder, we do still have a civil process that we can work to fight against over regulation and governmental abuse. Retaining that system, that was created with our Constitution, is the key to avoiding the unpleasantness of armed conflict with our own government.
Work within the system to fight to keep your rights. Vote. Contact your representatives. Make comments on proposed rules, regulations and legislation. Attend hearings. Write your local newspapers. Talk to people. Petition the government to protect our basic rights and freedoms so that we can continue to have a say in our own government.
Also remember that the Internet is a postcard with your message and your address on it. Just as I was able to catch the USDA terrorist everything we communicate on the internet gets logged at various servers with your IP address and other identifying marks. Tagging and tracking is an innate part of the system. Don’t post or email anything you wouldn’t want to say to the government face-to-face, shout out on a street corner or hang on a poster in the village square with your name on it.
Comment walterj — September 19, 2006 @ 7:10 am
To #8, Ernie, we can’t go killing people over this. Don’t take it out of content. To kill someone over your chic’s, or any other animal is not right. What is the value of a human life? Even if you don’t like or hate that person? It’s still a human life. We can’t go off half cocked. That will give “them” more ammo to get defiant. “They” will win, not the people, if NAIS agents start getting killed.
Comment Suzy Minck — September 19, 2006 @ 8:56 am
agentprovacateur
With so much meeting of the minds there is an increasing probability of ‘trolls’ butting in in order to agitate participants (us) into some kind of outburst worthy of ‘legal’ attention. Nothing nearly as outrageous as the ‘USDA threat’ would justify such a sweep if it originated where common folk are actually DOing something within the political process to counter the nwo agenda.
Find a copy of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington…the same bullies are playing the same games with our beautiful nation’s future.
Comment donna — September 19, 2006 @ 3:47 pm
Well, if worse comes to worse rather than being malnourished slaves we can learn how NOT to eat and still be very strong…
http://solarhealing.com/
Sure wish I could do this but it’s too dang cloudy here.
I think it’s pointless of people to say they’ll kill their animals. Then they might as well comply because they’re giving the gov what it wants.
Comment Carolyn S. — September 19, 2006 @ 5:19 pm
Everyone, If passion drives you, let reason hold the reins.
It is with our passions as it is with fire and water; they are good servants, but bad masters.
There have been periods of history in which episodes of terrible violence occurred but for which the word violence was never used….
Violence is shrouded in justifying myths that lend it moral legitimacy, and these myths for the most part kept people from recognizing the violence for what it was.
The people who burned witches at the stake never for one moment thought of their act as violence; rather they thought of it as an act of divinely mandated righteousness.
The same can be said of most of the violence we humans have ever committed.
It’s not the bullet with my name on it that worries me. It’s the one that says “To whom it may concern.”
Nonviolence doesn’t always work - but violence never does.
Be careful what you ask for. You just may get it. Terrorism by anyone, or for any reason is dishonorable and unacceptable. Period!
PS: It is possible that PRO-NAIS people are attempting to “discredit” this web site, as a terrorist activist group, by infiltrating “false” threatening comments onto the NoNAIS sites.
Dean A. Ayers
Glenwood, IOWA
IOWANS AGAINST NAIS
Comment DeanAFOSI (IOWA) — September 19, 2006 @ 5:34 pm
In the 2006 Agricultural Identification Survey, the USDA says it did a Census of Agriculture in 2002. Could any of you please enlighten me on this census? We got our first farm animals in 2002, and more in 2003. Yet we never heard about a Census of Agriculture.
What did this 2002 Census of Agriculture entail? What was the stated purpose for it? What information did the USDA ask for? Was it the first of its kind, or were there other Censuses of Agriculture before 2002? If so, when did they start? Also, does the Census they plan to do this year appear to differ at all from the one in 2002? And did the USDA send out “2002 Agricultural Identification surveys” before the Census in 2002?
If any of you can answer my questions, I would greatly appreciate it.
God Bless
Comment Goatman — September 19, 2006 @ 6:24 pm
Walter has repeated a vital warning.
You don’t want to get yerself labeled a terrorist, now doya?!
Think about it …
respects, Wm
Comment Mr Dirty Nails — September 19, 2006 @ 7:45 pm
Re: post 23
Hello Goatman,
This is the Agri Census. You can search out the information HERE
Comment Breederville — September 19, 2006 @ 9:12 pm
Hey Walter, you are a great man and you sure are doing your share i just wish we could get this on national news more, but who know’s it might happen i think my state has all ready gave in on the nais thing, my life is about over so when they show up at my gate i will try to put us on the news, you keep up the good work and folk’s don’t give in to the thugs we can’t live for ever, Shadow Walker
[Hmm… Try to get on the news without anyone getting hurt. -WJ]
Comment Shadow Walker — September 19, 2006 @ 9:59 pm
Thanks a million times, Breederville!
God Bless
Comment Goatman — September 20, 2006 @ 7:06 pm
be carefulllll
what you say….
we can only win by staying human
and keeping our wits about us
if there are spies among us
maybe it is because they
long to be loved by us
and not because they want to hurt us…everyone wants to be loved..
power is no substitute…
we are a blessed people
who can afford to do the right
thing…..while most of the world
is barely surviviing..they look to us to show them the way…
if we must go to prison let us go
knowing we are doing the right
thing and not because we have
caused violence..there is too much of that in the world already…
I pray for sanity and compassion and to remain strong
and healthy so that I can help
my fellow humans….I vote that
we try to stop speaking and
thinking thoughts of violence
and
have the courage to go out into the world and
help our neighbors..
remember ” living well is the
best revenge…” oscar wilde
we can’t afford to lose our own souls no matter what the cause
may be…..
pray for me to get the hate and
the fear out of my own soul
so that I can truly exemplify
the American dream
sid
Comment sid sargent — September 24, 2006 @ 9:11 am
PS: It is possible that PRO-NAIS people are attempting to “discredit” this web site, as a terrorist activist group, by infiltrating “false” threatening comments onto the NoNAIS sites.
Dean A. Ayers
Glenwood, IOWA
IOWANS AGAINST NAIS
Or it is possible that law abiding homesteading freedom loving folks are just speaking their minds and letting the woorld know that they will DIE fighting if need be to maintain their way of life and freedom, What did Jefferson say about the need for the tree of liberty to be reknewed with the blood of tyrants on occasion?
Comment jesse napolitano — September 30, 2006 @ 10:47 am
Remember what it is that they *REALLY* want …. L A N D!!!!!!!
Whether you have your animals “depopulated”, kill them yourself, or just stop keeping them; they will be gone.
Well, you won’t be needing that 10 or 300 or 1000 acres any more will you?
The conservatives want to turn it into shopping malls,business parks and McMansions; the liberals want to turn it into AIDS clinics, HUD houses, soccer fields, and public schools.
Nearly all of the rights that have been eroded lately pertain to land use/ownership.
If you can safely shoot a gun you must have too much room around you! Keep a horse? There could be 10 houses in that pasture! You need to turn your woods into a park if you have deer and birds around so everyone can share it!
Think about it. Rural people are being driven out of nearly everywhere they live in almost every state. Everyone wants the one thing we have and will stop at nothing to get it.
Comment Nancy W — October 3, 2006 @ 9:10 am
Anyone know what happened to stopanimalid.org? I have been wondering for weeks why people were scared off for whatever reason (?), and now it is completely gone! I never posted there, because, frankly, I could never easily see how to post on their website (doesn’t say much for my skills), but I visited it each day and found interesting info there.
Walter, take the day off for yourself, your understanding wife, your children, and all your lovely animals. You have all given us a great Christmas gift by bringing us together this year.
Comment Texas Goat Gal — December 25, 2006 @ 9:28 am