“Hey, mister, is that chicken house unregistered?!? Slap him in irons, fine him $25,000 and stick him in the clink for 5 years with a felony charge!”
Is owning an unregistered chicken as bad as drunk driving? As bad as dope dealing? As bad as grand auto theft? As bad as bilking investors with phony energy deals? As bad as swindling the government in military contracts? As bad as manslaughter? That’s what the Pennsylvannia legislators have declared for failure to comply with their new Premises ID Registrations under PA House Bill 865.
Senate Bill 865 (Madigan) would amend Title 3 (Agriculture), by establishing a domestic animal premises registration program to be administered and enforced by the Department of Agriculture. The bill would require any person who keeps livestock in the Commonwealth to register with the department. … The information would be kept confidential and could not be disclosed unless authorized by the registrant or unless the release is necessary to prevent or control disease or to protect animal or public health, safety or welfare. Registration would be required for the domestic animals listed in the bill or the carcass of any animal listed in the bill. (A National Animal Identification System (NAIS) is being developed by the United States Department of Agriculture, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service. An animal identification system will become mandatory by January 2009 with a goal of a 48-hour trace back on individual animals to a specific location.) Passed: 48-1.
-PA Senate GOP Session Notes
Something stinks - They’re making criminals out of honest people. The war on drugs was one thing but now we have a war on farmers?!? 1984 meets Animal Farm. Egads!
The legislature has conviently waved the Freedom of Information Act on this little goodie so if they screw up your data you have no way of getting that information corrected since you can’t even find out what they have about you in their database.
(d) Right-to-Know Law inapplicable.--All information received and records made or kept by the department that are related to the administration or enforcement of the program established under this subchapter are exempt from the act of June 21, 1957 (P.L.390, No.212), referred to as the Right-to-Know Law.Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government.
-Hugo Black, Supreme Court Justice
More over they can get your dogs, cats and other pets under this subsection:
The department may issue a temporary order adding domestic animal species to the list of animals in section 2320.2(a)
But here’s the loop hole:
(2) Any vehicle or vessel used in transporting by land, air or water a domestic animal or domestic animal product is exempt from registration under subsection (a).
Just put wheels on your chicken coop and move the animals around periodically. Heck, that sounds like many pastured poultry hoop houses! Perhaps we can do the same for cows, pigs, etc. Or since they’ll take vessels maybe you can just build an Ark instead of a barn?!? With a loop hole so big that you can drive a pair of bison through it you have to wonder if the people who are writing these laws actually ever farmed - perhaps they’re just desk jockeys who play SimFarm on their computer Monday nights. Time to get these guys out of their sterile white offices and into the real world mud! Write a letter to your legislators offering to let them clean your pig stye!
Okay, so it isn’t a felony but still this whole thing is absurd. Here’s the actual penalty section from HB 865:
(d) Failure to register.--A person subject to subsection (a) that fails to register shall not be eligible for any indemnity payment, depopulation incentive payment, cleanup cost payment or disposal cost payment under section 2331 (relating to indemnification) for any livestock for which the indemnity would be paid.
Perhaps small farmers, pet owners and homesteaders can safely ignore the PA Department of Agriculture if all they’re going to do for enforcement is take away farm subsidies. After all, we don’t get farm subsidies! Those all go to the big corporate farms. As to “indemnity payments and depopulation incentive payments” you can forget those whether if you register or not. In April Dr. Wiemer pointed out the government will not be offering compensation or indemnity for depopulation. Net result, there appears to be nothing in this law for the small livestock owner nor does there appear to be any actual enforcement against us. If you can read any other penalty into this, let me know. It looks pretty toothless. If I were in PA I would refuse to register and make a big stink about stupid government laws.
By the by, you’ll notice that the PA Department of Agriculture believes that the USDA’s NAIS will become mandatory in 2009. So much for the USDA’s statement that NAIS is voluntary. Guess the government’s left mouth doesn’t know what it’s right mouth is saying.
Meanwhile, in other PA news:
HB 835 This legislation would require that all individuals convicted or adjudicated delinquent for any felony offense must submit a DNA sample to the Pa. State Police DNA database upon entering or being released from a correctional institution. This includes anyone who was incarcerated prior to the effective date of this act. Sen. Thompson offered A5359 and it was adopted 21-1. The bill was reported out 22-0.
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If they do make failure to register your premises into a felony I guess we’ll be seeing a lot of farmers and homesteaders swelling the ranks of the DNA database. I can just hear the pol’s thinking: Pesky lot - this will keep them in check!
Remember: It was a bunch of pissed farmers who beat off King George over 200 years ago and founded our great nation. Perhaps the lesson needs repeating.
Hat top to Ted, Richard and Laura
Walter,
This alert refers to the PA Senate where the cowards bowed down to intimidation by the USDA -(give me what I want, or you won’t get any money). The bill is currently under review by the House Committee on Agriculture and Rural affairs. Unless you’ve heard something I haven’t, it is still in committee. I emailed all members of the committee and got this response from Sheila Miller, Vice Chairman of the majority party:
“thanks for the info; I have serious concerns about this legislation. Hearing will be held at Ag Progress Days”
Ag Progress Days just ended this week. I am waiting to hear what happened.
Comment Barbara — August 19, 2006 @ 3:58 pm
The following information may be helpful for farmers throughout the nation. It seeks to unite farmers and livestock owners under one ‘national lobby effort’ against the USDA/APHIS intrusion into our lives.
Effort Founded To Protect Americans From National Animal Identification System
A national lobby effort to protect America’s food system from a proposed United States Department of Agriculture licensing program was launched today by the Virginia Independent Consumers and Farmers Association (VICFA).
The USDA proposed National Animal Identification System (NAIS) would require micro-chipping with radio frequency Identification and mandatory government registration of all poultry, hogs, and cattle, and other livestock including the family chicken for breakfast eggs. Never before attempted in human history, this licensing program’s protocol discriminates against small producers and many fear it will be used by industrial agriculture to further destroy local and homegrown food production.
VICFA, a statewide group of farmers and consumers established five years ago to protect consumer food choice from government intrusion, has created the National Independent Consumers and Farmers Advocates (NICFA) Fund to represent the numerous anti-NAIS constituency groups.
Retaining Carl Little, legislative attorney and former chief of staff for Indiana Rep. John Hostettler, this fund creates a national political presence to protect food security in America.
“Real food security comes from community-based, bio-regional food commerce, not from transnational concentrations of production, processing, and long distance marketing,” said VICFA spokesperson Joel Salatin. “The USDA already has the authority and information to deal with disease outbreaks; this is just a smokescreen to further harass people with backyard poultry flocks and a 4-H steer so the big producers can have it all,” he said.
[There are quite a number of such organizations as VICFA including Farm For Life (Lawyer Mary Zanoni), Farm And Ranch Freedom (farmandranchfreedom.org, Lawyer Judith McGeary), etc. See the right sidebar under Featured Websites for some of the ones I know about. VICFA is in there near the bottom. -WJ]
Comment donna — August 19, 2006 @ 4:49 pm
Walter,if I hadn’t known that PA SB 865 was now in the house,and that they are not in “session” I could have been worried by that headline(whew)I didn’t think anything could have gone that wrong since last afternoons conversation with my rep.(but in Pa.one never knows):-) Any how you see what our “worst and not so bright” have come up with,I have been telling folks for months that this bill has the potential to really cause folks a mess,such as the clause that states that you have to have your premises registered to possess the “carcass” of one of that long list of animals,I have asked and most folks can see that this clause could be used to nail a person if you had a chicken in the freezer or a side of beef hanging on the back porch,scary,eh? I have mentioned to a few folks what you alluded to about putting wheels on the coop or keeping the cow in a floating “Barge” on the pond or crik,in all seriousness though it is just plain dumb beyond words what is going on in Pa and all over these several states,about the so-called penalty for not registering,if that ended up being it I wouln’t be as worried but this is a door for the feds and I’m sure as I’ve told people before they will insist that their “penalties” will be the ones enforced on us.I told my rep that this exemption from the freedom of info act could be used to block a lawyer trying to defend me from a charge or from being able to file a suit or such,(sorry but that is “state secrets”) sound familiar?And I think “king george” remembers those PO’ed farmers,one has to wonder(but not too hard) what they have planned should history repeat itself? Pa., better hound our reps!
[My wife was rather amused by the ‘carcass’ issue. “So,” she asked, “if I buy a plucked, eviscerated chicken at the market I would have to have a Premises ID registration for my home before I could take it to my kitchen for cooking?!?” Me thinks the desk-jockeys who make our laws do not have enough dirt under their nails. -WJ]
Comment LEE — August 19, 2006 @ 5:02 pm
link
for whole story of The perils of national animal ID.
Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe’s Marist dictator, who nationalized 95% of rural land and made the once African leading food-producing nation a nation of total chaos said, “Absolute power is when a man is starving and you are the only one able to give him food.”
The premise ID alone is enough to nationalize our land and turn Global Corporate Government into the only one able to control every bite of food in USA. It makes it impossible to own an animal without a permit. Remember when gun permits were started. Now it is not a right to bear arms but illegal to own a gun without a permit. A permit makes legal illegal with penalties and loss of constitutional rights.
goggle the words below and for an eyefull then come join us for the Kansas City MO Protest August 23 info. here
MO NIAA Protest 8/23/06
Action Item — walterj 11:06 am
Goggle these.
“Absolute power is when a man is starving and you are the only one able to give him food.”
Contact everyone you know to fight this thing call NAIS.
Comment Sue Karber — August 19, 2006 @ 8:20 pm
PA it is not too late to overturn this mess. FIGHT! An election is coming up and changes can be made. MAKE THEM. Educate everyone and fight for change or in no time NAIS will produce the choas it is intended to produce. see link
for whole story of The perils of national animal ID.
Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe’s Marxist dictator, who nationalized 95% of rural land and made the once African leading food-producing nation a nation of total chaos said, “Absolute power is when a man is starving and you are the only one able to give him food.”
The premise ID alone is enough to nationalize our land and turn Global Corporate Government into the only one able to control every bite of food in USA. It makes it impossible to own an animal without a permit. Remember when gun permits were started. Now it is not a right to bear arms but illegal to own a gun without a permit. A permit makes legal illegal with penalties and loss of constitutional rights.
Kansas City MO August 23, 2006 is the place to be to fight. see August 7, 2006
MO NIAA Protest 8/23/06
Action Item — walterj 11:06 am
for all the details.
Comment Sue Karber — August 19, 2006 @ 11:42 pm
Among the many inane and asinine parts of this bill is the “carcass clause”. It would require premise registration of taxidermists who receive carcasses to stuff/mount; hunters who may kill a duck, deer or wild pig; grocery stores who sell so much as a single chicken carcass; any homeowner who brings a whole chicken home to cook; and the list goes on. I think it is safe to say that if the good folks in PA follow the letter of the law, the only ones in PA who will not be required to be registered are vegetarians and vegans.
Since the PA law includes cervids and waterfowl, if I live in PA and have a few acres where dear roam freely and the occasional duck or goose flies in and lights (but I own no livestock), I will have to register my premise, get my PIN and try and track down the deer and any transient waterfowl, tag them and report their constant movements on and off my property.
Yessir….the legislators in PA really have their stuff together. I certainly hope the people in PA with some common sense and a fine nose for manure when they smell it can put a stop to this idiocy before it becomes state law.
Comment Rich Hoyle — August 20, 2006 @ 6:53 am
….not enough dirt under their nails,but a crapload between their ears!
Comment LEE — August 20, 2006 @ 8:07 am
They keep talking about privacy and confidentially and protection of data. I don’t care who knows I own animals EXCEPT the government. THEY are the ones I do not trust - the ones I do not want in my business, the only ones I am afraid of. If they have my information, the rest of the confidentialty is a bunch of crap. Heck, we horse breeders pay a lot for other horse breeders and potential horse buyers to find us. I want my information kept confidential FROM the government.
Comment Patricia Hampton — August 20, 2006 @ 8:21 am
On a side note ,some of the most outspoken folks I have worked with against NAIS are vegans and vegetarians,some even own a healthfood store,(this guy has copied my flyers at his expense and passed out hundreds of them)as one vegan fella I know said to me,”I may not believe in eating meat,but I believe in liberty and I will fight to defend yours!”(this is the essence of a person who understands liberty,he and I do not personally agree on this issue of not eating meat, but we respect each others choices and agree to work together to defend the liberty that is precious to both of us,so I would ask that if there are folks reading this who may not agree or feel that this issue(NAIS) effects them ,to please look hard at this issue,no matter what the issue is that we may not agree on,the deeper issue is that each of our own personal libertys are at stake,liberty is under attack from all over the sphere of life and those who seek to destroy her do not care what our personal beliefs may be,in fact that is what they seek to destoy,”choice”,so please even if we do not agree on certain things ,lets look past that and work together so that we and our children will be able to enjoy our own choices and live “free” no matter our differences!….”We must all hang together,or we shall all most surely be hanged apart” Ben Franklin
Comment LEE — August 20, 2006 @ 8:54 am
How could such a thing as this happen? APATHY. If we sit around thinking someone else is going to fight this ‘invasive species’ NAIS draft, think again. If you want to eat, have privacy, afford to live without being subtly taxed to death get ACTIVE! As a WSDA Vet said yesterday in the beautiful San Juan Islands…write, yell, let your voice heard..they are listening and YOU make a difference! I got some Public Documents from WSDA and that is confirmed. They did not anticipate a fight. So go for it y’all. Fight while we have freedom do so. One of the blessings of doing so is you get to meet others with a common goal. I just met a familar NoNAIS person yesterday and we will be teaming up to bring some action to Washington.
Comment Celeste — August 20, 2006 @ 9:43 am
The 4-D meat definition of unsuitable meats for “humans” and should be also for animal’s consumption, now has changed, with NAIS.
The definition has become a
“5-D” meat defintition, being
“UNFIT FOR HUMANS”
as follows:
1. Dying
2. Dead
3. Diseased
4. Downer (disabled)
5. DeNAIS-NAZIS
(definately the USDA.inc is disabled in the head)
For a great synopsis of the NAIS and it’s objections to humanity, go to the following link:
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=8979726&content_dir=ua_congressorg
Comment DeanAFOSI (IOWA) — August 20, 2006 @ 12:58 pm
“They keep talking about privacy and confidentially and protection of data. I don’t care who knows I own animals EXCEPT the government.”
I agree completely. I’m not concerned that someone knows I have horses, I’m concerned that it is none of the government’s damn business where I have them. Just like it is none of my damn business where my boarders take their horses. Too much information. Some things are better left alone.
And, I don’t need the state to tell me that there is an outbreak of some disease in my area. I already hear about it from my vet or in the media.
Comment Barbara — August 20, 2006 @ 1:40 pm
It’s not apathy, it’s lack of information. No one, let alone small farmers, knows this is happening! I live in PA and have been calling newspapers and radio stations for weeks. No one will pick up on the story! I did and archive search on our two local papers, one of which is published in the capital. There was NO record of any reporting of NAIS or National Animal Identification System at all! So I’ve made calls, but the powers that be think I’m a kook! I really don’t know what to do. I’d love some ideas!
Comment Deb — August 20, 2006 @ 2:31 pm
I’ve run into the same thing, Deb which is why I started NoNAIS.org. The big thing we need to do is get the word out. Check out the handouts and posters in the Sample Flyers section of the right sidebar of http://NoNAIS.org.
Hang posters, pass out fliers, write letters to the editor, write your representatives both state and federal - some of them don’t even know about it.
Be heard and get other people to do the same. There is power in numbers. Let’s make a loud and angry noise so the powers that be hear us and learn to respect our roar. It is possible to kill this monster.
Cheers,
-WalterJ
Comment walterj — August 20, 2006 @ 3:01 pm
Deb, there is a whole bunch of positive and constructive things you can do to get the NoNAIS word out on the street and to the farms.
Make signs and post them on you car, and park the car in the feed store parking lot, or at Walmart, etc.
[Dean! I love it! -WJ]
Put a sign in front of your house, get the neighbors or friends to do the same.
Make fliers on your computer, and distribute them after church or bingo, or sports events.
It is easier to get forgiveness then it is to get permission to do this.
The news media, is part of the government now; that is why you will see nothing about the NAIS.
Use your computer, your intellect, your imagination, and your “one to one” contacts, fliers, signs, etc. to get this word out.
The one thing the government cannot stifle, is YOU, getting the word out, yourself.
Good Luck in the fight.
Dean
Comment DeanAFOSI (IOWA) — August 20, 2006 @ 3:15 pm
Depopulation?. . .Depopulation? Did I just read that word up above in the PA statutes? What is that all about? Depopulation of our livestock, or of citizens, or of the elderly, or sick, or people with a low IQ, or people who don’t have mindless, cushy Government jobs?
We need to depopulate our government departments, and right now. Our elected officials are talking crap. They are letting us down, leaving it to their hired flunkies to do the dirty work. If we can vote in the Senator, Congressman, Commissioner, etc then we should have an equal vote in who they are employing–because it’s these cogs-behind-the-scenes who are doing all the real work.
Sure we might talk to, write to, harass Congressman So and So from our district, but the real truth is he/she will delegate the work to someone else who cares even less than they do. Nevertheless, apply the pressure. There are signs that the damn is cracking. That the USDA is feeling the heat from the public. That our efforts to fight this tyranny might be holding back the tide before it turns. And on that ebb tide we’d better be ever more ready to flush out the drift and clear the shores of all the crap the currant officials are piling up.
If we as a nation cannot defeat NAIS (which is just the tip of a very large and nasty iceberg) than I fear the worst. There is more and different and scary to follow if NAIS is allowed take hold. A USDA Vichey-style government is not something I care to participate in.
“Arise children of the Homeland
The day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny’s
Bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts
To arms citizens Form your battalions
March, march
Let impure blood
Water our furrows
What do they want this horde of slaves
Of traitors and conspiratorial kings?
For whom these vile chains
These long-prepared irons?”
–The “Freedom” National Anthem
Comment Podchef — August 20, 2006 @ 11:42 pm
By way of backing up Lee’s comments of August 20th…there is a growing pocket of anti-NAIS dissent that is not getting much mention. And that is those of us who run animal sanctuaries..especially farm animal sanctuaries. Many of us are vegetarians/vegans and have large number of non-meat eating supporters.
The NAIS has the potential to damage and destroy small animal sanctuaries just as it does small farmers and ranchers. And we are finding, as we get the word out, that the majority of farm animal sanctuaries…many of us small, non-profit or private operations…are just as irate about the NAIS as the rest of the small farming community.
Farm animal sanctuaries take in abused, abandoned and neglected farm animals and care for them for life…it is as simple as that. But in the process we do many of the same things that small farmers and ranchers do on a daily basis.
While our goal with regard to the eventual fate of the animals may be different, most of us in the sanctuary world do not see joining the anti-NAIS movement as an unholy alliance, or a compromise of our ideals, but rather one in which good people of divergent views have joined forces against a common enemy.
As Lee’s vegan friend commented…we may not agree with eating meat, but the true fight for liberty and freedom transcends many differences of opinion. Any you will find an increasing number of animal sanctuaries, vegetarians and vegans willing to step forward to join you in your fight against the government and the NAIS.
Comment Rich Hoyle — August 21, 2006 @ 6:21 am
good men doing nothing
is letting this happen
we need more good men
doing something
pound the streets
instead of the keys
it’s much harder
and it’s not safe
the way annonomous is
why don’t people identify
themselves in the true sense?
Or do we all really want the
government to tell us who we are?
Comment sid sargent — August 21, 2006 @ 8:50 am
You are right Deb,except for a few tiny letter to the editors type things I have not been able to get the papers around here(50 mile radius)NW PA.) to talk to me,most have not run my letters either,I am not sure what is wrong with them,it’s almost like this is “non-news” to them. Same deal with the tv stations,its been months since they said they’ed look into NAIS and get back to me all I have gotten is a brush-off.Deans idea works too,I did this and then parked at Wallyworld,I came out and folks were reading my truck,opens up doors to speak to folks,just a postflier in each back side window and one of Walters “pierced” chicks blown up on bright yellow poster stock in the rear window with this sites address in “BOLD”… you can “tell” everyone that gets behind you to look up www.NONAIS.ORG I have watched people dig for a pencil and paper while chasing me down the road,it’s kind of fun,I would recommend this tactic to all(just be careful not to block your view)Also another tactic I have been employing besides posters is business sized cards on bright neon colored stock,had a printer make these up for me,(3000/$95)I was making them on my computer but it was cheaper to have a printer do them,as ink cartridges are big bucks for all the more they can make,any way these cards are easy to hand to some one,or to carry in your pocket,I put them on some folks car wipers,put them in the big stores,into egg cartons and the folds of tool boxs at feed/hardware stores so that when a person buys the item they find my “business card”,My cards are printed on bothsides,the title is printed in bold” STOP USDA-AGRIBIZ POWERGRAB, so that it gets a persons attention then it lists line by line the major points of the problem and then at the end it directs folks to this site and Liberty Ark for more info,I will be passing out several thousand of these at the fair,I hope, as well as all over the tri county area,any way I said all that to encourage you and others, that there are ways to get the word out,besides the main stream biased media and besides when I have done radio shows,I can’t tell if anyone is listening,but when I pass a card or flyer or see them read my car, I know that they got the message,so don’t be discouraged,go get ‘em !
Comment LEE — August 21, 2006 @ 8:55 am
There must be a gag order of some sort on the press, because even the most radical–let’s stop government waste–reporters in our area have refused to do pieces on NAIS.
This just proves that the press can be and is the tool of the state. CBS, Fox, ABC, CNN are just state broadcast channels doping the populace with drivel and false, distracting news. They are part of the new terror network–keep the people in check by making them scared of their own shadow. They make hours of news up out of a few lines, small details and lots of speculation.
When I was at the county fair this week, most people I spoke with had never heard of the NAIS. Flyers were passed out, I mentioned NONAIS in almost every conversation. But most people don’t care to be bothered. “Everything is alright now, we don’t have to do anything.” or “Do you really think it will ever get that bad? It couldn’t happen here. . .” It’s a battle for hearts and minds out there. The fictitious “Homeland” they want to safegaurd doesn’t exist yet, but they’re on their way to creating it.
Comment Podchef — August 21, 2006 @ 3:35 pm
C’mon Walt, can’t you figure out why these questions can’t/aren’t being answered? THE QUESTIONS ARE JUST TOO HARD FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND!!! The USDA can’t think to begin with, otherwise it would not have come up with such a boondoggle system as NAIS. The questions you pose are beyond their scope of comprehension.
Being a teacher, I can recognize when a student turns in orginal work and when it is copied. NAIS is an obvious copy of government programs from communist/socialist/fascist regimes. (Too bad there is not a copyright so some foreign country could sue the USDA for infringement.)
So Johanns (and the USDA minions) get an F for lousy planning, and F for lack of originality, and F for getting the assigment in late (not answering Walt’s questions) and F because they can’t even begin to form answers to the simplest of questions mainly because they have not thought NAIS through.
(F of course stands for “fail” but because of the stress from fighting this program, some people might think the F stands for another 4 letter word. That is o.k. with me!)
Comment SUSAN — August 21, 2006 @ 3:40 pm
Has anybody else had trouble getting onto this website recently? Late afternoon last Friday, when I tried to come here, I got an error message saying that I couldn’t “access it with this server.” I tried both Mozilla (the one I always use)and Internet Explorer (as my last resort). Those are the only two browsers I have, and neither of them worked. Later that evening, I came back and was able to get here via Mozilla with no problem.
This morning it happened again. For the second time, I couldn’t access NoNAIS. But by late afternoon everything was fine again.
I know that sometimes, when a website is being updated, you can’t get to it. I just hope this doesn’t continue. I don’t know what I would do if I couldn’t come here, Walter.
[I haven’t noticed any down times on the server but it could have happened when I was working outdoors. The browser shouldn’t make a difference. One possiblity I can think of is that I notice you are on Hughes Directway network which means you’re getting a set of dynamic IP addresses Hughes that is shared between many people time to time. A crank spammer who is also on Hughes network was spamming me last week and I blocked his IP address. If you happened to ge the same IP as him you would get blocked until you got a new IP address. I have unblocked that IP address incase that is the case. Hopefully that fixes it. Thanks for alerting me. If you have trouble again, leave a note and I’ll look into it. Even if you can’t access the site you should still be able to email me and that will automatically give me the IP address so I can check it.. -WJ]
Comment Goatman — August 21, 2006 @ 7:08 pm
Fact is, I, too, have had problems accessing this site now and again. Must be that pesky NSA detour…
We are on a fiber, high speed connection so I don’t think there is an overload problem at this residence.
[This afternoon we did have a real server outage when the software I use to run the web site crashed. It was backup after about an hour I think. This has happened once before. I’m looking into the problem and how to prevent it. Rather pesky. -WJ]
Comment donna — August 21, 2006 @ 10:57 pm
Thanks, Walter.
Comment Goatman — August 22, 2006 @ 6:05 am