Horizon plans to announce on Monday that it is teaming up with Hackensack University Medical Center in a pilot program where 280 patients regularly treated at the hospital will be implanted with a chip containing a code. The chip would allow emergency room personnel to retrieve a patient’s medical record if the individual can’t communicate. The rice-sized microchip is implanted in a patient’s right arm above the elbow and can be detected using equipment at the hospital.
-MSN News
So what is the difference between NAIS chipping livestock and chipping patients? In a word, choice.
Maybe NAIS would be okay if it were truly a voluntary program. The USDA says NAIS is voluntary for now but their written documents state they must have 100% compliance (See page 3 of the April 2006 doc) or it will become mandatory. That is Mafia Style Voluntary. If they require NAIS and chipping for all inter-state movement of animals and all sales then they’ll still call it “voluntary” but it will be mandatory for all intensive purposes. You will no longer be able to get any replacement animals. Under NAIS no animals will be able to leave a premises without being involved with NAIS (animal ID & tracking) and thus no new animals can come onto a premises. In the end everyone would be forced to comply with the USDA’s “voluntary” program. That is not voluntary.
At first blush one might say the patient chipping will be 100% voluntary and thus okay. Nobody’s being forced to do it and of course, it is for their own good. But will it be truly voluntary? Think of all the things that the insurance industry requires - things that if you don’t do them you don’t get insurance or you pay far higher rates. Heck, it’s hard enough to get insurance as it is. Will insurance companies start requiring that people get chipped in order to get insurance? They’ll call if voluntary. After all, you don’t really have to have insurance. But no insurance, no driving, no business, no home mortgage, no car, no liability protection, etc. It’s your choice - you can be voluntarily marginalized.
Is insurance the means that the government will force everybody to “voluntarily” get chipped? Perhaps the government will even use the insurance industry to force NAIS on us. It could become such that if you do not do NAIS you can’t get insurance. Without insurance you can not sell at most farmers markets. You can’t do fairs and shows. You can’t do trail rides in many places. You can’t get a business license. The list goes on and on. Of course, they’ll make a big point that it is voluntary…
It is time to get government out of the business of micro-managing our lives. Heck, perhaps it is even time to get government out of the business of governing.
Hat tip to Noah.
Walter, I am an idiot, who can’t unsubscribe from the NoNAIS News. Can you help me? I keep entering my email address and using the remove and Send but I keep getting the NoNAIS News. Help! Zipp the Pin Head.
[Dear Zipp, Thank you for your timely question. I checked your email address and it is not on the list for the NoNAIS News. I suspect what happened is you signed up using a different email address that redirects to the address you used for this comment. Is this possible? If you can send me a copy of the NoNAIS News message you are getting with full headers I will be able to figure this out for you. Cheers, -WJ]
Comment Zipp the Idiot — July 19, 2006 @ 7:40 am
Oh gawd! You are so right! I was using my hotmail address that send to my gmail address and I didn’t even realize it. I am so stupid! Thank you for cluing me in and being so patient! Sorry about all the exclamation marks!!! I will try unsubscribing using my hotmail address. THank you Thank you thankyou! -A Total Idiot.
[You’re welcome and don’t be so hard on yourself. Everyone makes mistakes. I’m glad you were able to figure it out. Alls well that ends well. Cheers, -WJ]
Comment Idiot — July 19, 2006 @ 9:23 am
Wow. It goes from worse to worst to worsted–as in the fabric of the country is being rewoved in the image of industry. (What would have become of Betsy’s flag today, I wonder? “Sorry, Ma’am those stars aren’t of regulation material. . .Blood Red is not a color we will allow. . .do you have a permit for that needle?”)
Perhaps these words of Thomas Paine are a reflection of what 2006 will mean:
“THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis,
shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man
and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder
the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness
only that gives every thing its value.”
As for Freedom, Liberty and Truth. . .have we “voluntarily” given them away? Or will our rights to them be included in our grain of rice sized personal histories mandated for our own good by the World Authority System Protocol–once stung, forever afraid?
Comment Podchef — July 19, 2006 @ 12:02 pm
Man, the government SHOULD get back to 3 things it originally was created to do:
1.Protect and defend us against evil enemies (NAIS?!)
2.Coin money
3.I forget the 3rd!
Not much governing there! And we WERE freeeeee!
What do YOU think???
Comment Lynn Maust — July 19, 2006 @ 12:35 pm
How about the words of Ben Franklin; “Any person who is willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserves neither liberty nor safety”. [I hope I have quoted the great man correctly, but if not..please consider it to be a respectful paraphrase].
Walter…I neglected to mention one important item…I DID get to ask Dora Mobley (Hammerschmidt ass’t.) after the meeting about your list of submitted questions and why they have not yet been answered.
Her reply was that many of the questions that you asked cannot be answered at this time because the NAIS is still a work in progress. (That’s the same answer we kept getting repeatedly from Hammerschmidt and Weimars during the Q&A).
But she also stated that the USDA has received so many requests for information and clarification that they simply have fallen behind in answering. Also…she herself hopes to sort out the questions (many of which have been asked by many different sources) into categories and then the USDA will answer them all at one time.
That is what I recall her answer as being when I asked her about your questions. And yes…she DID recognize your name and DID recall getting a list of questions from you. She was a very polite person and so was I when I asked her about you.
Best I could do…
Comment Neil W. — July 19, 2006 @ 1:15 pm
Ah yes - they will write the regulations after the law is passed.
That’s what they said about PAWS, too -
And it will be voluntary .. uh huh. That’s what the AKC is
assuring us about inspections, when they succeed in ramming PAWS
or PAWS II, or whatever they ultimately rename their effort to
cram the law that equates hobby breeders of purebred pets to
dealers and brokers down our throats.
Between PAWS and NAIS, they will effectively eliminate much
independent animal ownership. The animal rights zealots will be
beside themselves with joy.
Rights once lost are difficult to recover.
Chipping hospital patients - this is going to be difficult to
fight, for all the reasons Walter cited, and also because people
don’t think. Children with chronic diseases will surely be early
targets, and that will be particularly hard for parents to
oppose. Parents of minor children are extremely vulnerable -
refusing medical care for a child can have exceedingly ugly
consequences these days, apart from the consequences for the child’s health.
This has been in the works for nearly 20 years, in fact. Goals
2000 was a major step in this direction. Remember Goals 2000?
School reform? Pressed upon us by each state independently, but
actually a Federal program? Of course, unless you looked closely
at it, you probably didn’t notice that aspect of it. Were you
that cynical then? Those of us who were opposed that knew where it was going, we just didn’t know exactly how it would be implemented.
Once the practise of chipping has been established for medical
purposes, it won’t be long before you can’t put a child in school
without a chip. Got to insure he’s been properly immunized, eh?
Got to keep track of him .. supposed he was kidnapped?
By then it may be moot, because parents of newborns are extremely
vulnerable, too - so newborns will also be an early target.
For medical purposes, voluntarily, of course …
And then there is medicare/medicaid. What percentage of the
retired population can afford individual health coverage? But a
high percentage are under a doctor’s care. They will be trapped.
If people WOULD refuse, they couldn’t do this to us. But most
people won’t fight it when it comes to the point. Even if they
don’t entirely buy into the idea that it is in their own best
interest, or that of their children, it will be easy to
intimidate most of them into compliance.
And yes - I suspect we are fighting a losing battle, though like all of you, I will continue to talk and write and resist.
Good luck to us all.
Comment Lynn — July 19, 2006 @ 6:33 pm
Walter I havnt seen the comment i posted show up yet. Why? It had some grate links.
[Yes, PV. You do have some great links in that post. About 100 or so. Unfortunately because of a bug in Microsoft’s Internet Explorer web browser I must hand edit every single link to make it display properly for people who use IE6 under Windows. Microsoft does not tend to follow the WorldWideWeb standards for how a web browser will operate. A link can cause IE6 Windows users to see a blank screen on my blog as a result. So I have to hand edit each link. You can do this. Just enclose each link between the following:
That will make the links work properly for people using Explorer 6 on Windows. You change LinkText to be what ever you want for each link but keep it short, no more than 25 characters or so. -WJ]
Comment PV — July 19, 2006 @ 6:37 pm
they may chip my dead body as it goes in for cremation. Until then they can take their chips and stick it up their butts! Anja
Comment Anja Heibloem-Stroud — July 19, 2006 @ 6:39 pm
I’m with Anja–we should be tracking the trackers, not the other way around. After all it’s our money they’re spending so freely.
The government–all departments–needs a swift kick up the jaxy. We might as well tag em while we’re at it. . .we can then track and stop them before a debacle like this happens again.
Walter–that Franklin quote (or paraphrase thereof) is one of my favorites too. If more people homeschooled the chipping of school kids (in #6) wouldn’t happen and more people would know about the constitution, the basic funamentals upon which our country was built and everything that has and is being stripped away from us.
And lest we forget. . .one more quote, “Live free or Die!” (Oh, sorry! That’s Terr0rist talk isn’t it. . . .)
Comment Podchef — July 19, 2006 @ 7:38 pm
And lest we forget. . .one more quote, “Live free or Die!” (Oh, sorry! That’s Terr0rist talk isn’t it. . . .)
It’s New Hampshire’s state motto, and very appropriate. Here’s the story behind the quote:
State Motto. The words “Live Free or Die,” written by General John Stark, July 31, 1809, shall be the official motto of the state.
It was the 1945 Legislature that gave New Hampshire its official motto and emblem, as World War II approached a successful end.
The motto became “Live Free Or Die,” as once voiced by General John Stark, the state’s most distinguished hero of the Revolutionary War, and the world famous Old Man of the Mountain was voted the official state emblem.
The motto was part of a volunteer toast which General Stark sent to his wartime comrades, in which he declined an invitation to head up a 32nd anniversary reunion of the 1777 Battle of Bennington in Vermont, because of poor health. The toast said in full: “Live Free Or Die; Death Is Not The Worst of Evils.” The following year, a similar invitation (also declined) said: “The toast, sir, which you sent us in 1809 will continue to vibrate with unceasing pleasure in our ears, “Live Free Or Die; Death Is Not The Worst Of Evils.”
Comment Barbara — July 19, 2006 @ 8:02 pm
I was thinking exactly what # 6 said.
This is aweful, we will be slaves of the medical establishment. We will not be able to refuse and will be forced to comply with medical procedures without informed consent.
We can be stalked and hunted wearing a chip by anyone that is walking around with a chip reader.
What a horrible place this country has become.
Will it take a civil war…literally? Than again our own country will gas us or nuke us. Maybe we’ll be rounded up into concentration camps.
This is a nightmare and it’s so real. Right now all i am concerned with is getting my child the hell out of this country to a safer place.
Comment irene — July 20, 2006 @ 8:59 am
Irene,
That has been on our minds of late as well–where could we move that was better than what its become like here. Answer–no where that I know of. If you want to see what direction the US is heading look to the EU (European Union). It’s a nightmare controlling all the countries we would think of moving to–France, Italy, Ireland, Spain, the UK. You cannot move without applying to Brussels for permission. What they have to do with their livestock is worse than NAIS, perhaps.
And that is what the USA is heading towards–a one world government, a North American Union of CanMexica. Don’t believe me? Look it up. Canada, Mexico and US as one country under one currency–the Amero–with a central government under very EU like rules. We have and are loosing our Nation’s Sovereignty. And with it goes our constituional rights and freedoms. I hate to sound all crazy and conspiratory, but its happening. NAIS is just part of the plan.
Americans need to Wake Up! The Media is in the hands of the Government and everything else on TV is pablum–no wonder no one knows or cares (except the lot of us here) about what is happening as our country is sold out from under us by short-sighted Profiteers.
Irene–if you want somewhere safe for your kids: it’s in your own home. If you don’t homeschool them now, you should. Teach them the real American History–the facts they don’t present in school anymore. Teach them the Histroy of the world–the one which begins before Globalism. Shower them with Art and Culture, Farm life and Home Ec. Teach them to survive. Because when the New World Order falls on its A$$ Those of us who can will and the rest will be crying at their blank screens.
Read the classics and you will see that History DOES repeat itself, but with different players. Ancient Rome’s Fate is here and now. The American Novels written between 1925 and 1960 all portray what is happening in some degree. Education starts at home and should never stop. Too bad more people don’t realize this. They turn off their minds when the graduate High School, or College and get a job. They settle for the norm, and never more. They stupidly WANT, they cry for a Nanny State because they’ve been taught not to accept responsability for themselves. Personal Responsability has been torn apart by a pack of hungry lawyers like a bison among wolves.
But here (on NONAIS) we have 104,000 souls who can shine the light into the dark corners, who can trim the canker from the bud and whose passion can infect those they come in contact with–millions. The war is not lost. The Battle has just begun–for the hearts, minds and freedoms of our citizens. NAIS is just the first skirmish.
http://podchef.motime.com
Comment Podchef — July 20, 2006 @ 10:42 am
Podchef
I had intended on homeschool from when my child was born, but even so, what happens if and when even people like us refuse to get chipped? Will we be accused of becoming a hazard to public health and be quarantined into living in a concentration camp or euthanized and burnt in pyres like the (millions)herds of cattle and pets in Britain?
Where i want to go, people are still not required to carry ID. I refrain from saying it, but there are still places in Europe where the noose isn’t quite so tight. Reardless if my horse will still be tagged, or subject to eradication, i will be watched but watched in paradise. If i have to fight i will still be fighting for the same reasons, but i will at least have a pleasant view when they put my lights out.
Most of all i feel for the patients at Hackensack Medical Center, they are the first victims. I would hate to wake up in a hospital knowing that i had recieved medical care i didn’t want, without informed consent, because eventually that is what will happen. There is no safety here, and after all this, i whole heartedly believe that this world war we are experiencing is because of these monster agr-biz and pharma and our corrupt government incited this to happen. HOw else could they get away with virtually erasing the constitution and our human rights.
This has made me extremely depressed, scared, angry and fearful, but not for me, for my children. how can i protect my children? What will happen if i have another child in a hospital? Will they chip them, will they inject so many Aluminum Hydroxide (or other viral, bacterial and toxic preservative poisons) laced vaccines that my healthy baby will have to go through life with neural damage just so the pharmecutical company can maintain profits, and not be held liable? Or how about the experimental drugs that are out there, will it be required to feed our children ritalin and paxil to stay in school? Virtually noone is informed about what these things are doing to our children. ONce thery are tagged they will become guinea pigs. We will become guinea pigs. What happens when the pharmecutical companies have made us so sick we can’t take care of each other? NO liability for pharma, no responsibilities for them. We suffer and i’m sure we will pay with our lives and will be begging to die. Bioterrorism is alive and well in this country but it won’t be from the middle east, it will be from the pharma and agri-biz and our corrupt government. Not a muslim, they will try and make it look like something other than it is, that’s what they’ve been doing all along. Animals and NAIS in our food system is a good place for them to start…….i really hope it’s not too late to stop this.
Comment irene — July 20, 2006 @ 11:59 am
one more not, france and italy also are ahead of us as far as maintaining a GMO free agriculture. I know that agrbiz is still a monster in Europe, but not like it is here. They still have maintained much of thier native and heirloom foods. It’s India and the middle east south america and africa that monsanto is terrorising, because the heat is on, but we still have yet to win……we have to cut them off at the bottom line…….the dollar.
I try and find out every thing i can about who what where and when and what company produced my food and goods. I REFUSE TO BUY FROM CORPORATE FARMS AND MAJOR PHARMA, if i can i will buy made in USA first, choices are limited. My next computer will be a macintosh, screw microsoft for having a hand in the destruction of the american way of life and thier software helping to produce NAIS. Put our money where our mouth is, teach this to our children, and we must shout and yell and make noise while we still can.
Comment irene — July 20, 2006 @ 12:07 pm
Down with Monsanto
Down with Microsoft
Down with Cargill
Down with any company that is realted to them.
Comment irene — July 20, 2006 @ 12:09 pm
Monsanto
has elinated or decreased vitamin and mineral content of corporate farmed food, and will try thier damndest to eliminate your backyard garden
Cargill
has destroyed the vitamin and nutrient values in meat. Will try thier damndest to make it impossible to own and animal.
Codex
seeks to make vitamins illegal or eliminate and relevant potency they may have
Pharma needs new guinea pigs.
Government just wants more money.
WTO WANTS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment irene — July 20, 2006 @ 12:33 pm
Typos and correction
Monsanto
has eliminated or decreased vitamin and mineral content of corporate farmed food/produce, and will try thier damndest to eliminate your backyard garden
Cargill
has destroyed the vitamin and nutrient values in meat. Will try thier damndest to make it impossible to own any animal.
Codex
seeks to eventually make vitamins illegal or eliminate any relevant potency they may have
Pharma needs new guinea pigs and more money.
Government just wants more money.
Noone wants you to be healthy, JUST OWNED
WTO WANTS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment irene — July 20, 2006 @ 12:37 pm
i must also applaud India for PATENTING it’s ayurvedic medicine, before big corporate american pharma could get it’s hands on it and destroy it.
Monasanto has already wrecked thier cotton industry
Pharma has created massive polio epidemics there. The polio vaccine gets into the sanitation system. Vaccinate one person and they infect a community. polio is infectious usually only from feces(ie bodily fluids) In India, the sanitation system is archaic. Forced live polio vacs.
Most vaccines are experimental.
Comment irene — July 20, 2006 @ 12:46 pm
Irene, Podchief is right,there is’nt any place left to “RUN” we have to make our stand here ,now, I homeschooled my kids taught them to stand on faith in God and in themselves and have gotten a couple of the most down to earth kids on the planet(YES I”M PROUD)as podchief said the rest of the world is further down this path in some cases than we are,but we still have a great thing going here in America,at least they can’t(YET) shoot us for talking here on this forum,and if we work at it they never will be able to.BUT we have to keep fighting,I know it seems hopeless at times,we have been for the most part a free people admired and respected by most of the world,now I know some things have changed,but that shortcoming,if you will,is not America falling to ruin and no longer working,we have been “sold down the crik” not by our beloved country but by our govt/corp power,greed overlord wannabees,it is now time to stand up together as individuals taking personal responsibility and work together to put the coffinlid on all these fools and their follies who have dreams of ruling the masses and worse.We are able,and we must not allow fear to intimate us into compliance with slavery we will only be free as long as we insist on it! as for a civil war,I personally believe in the constitution/states rights,that war in 1861 was one fought not between states so much as between a group of states and the Union(Federal govt)and over who( states or feds) held the power, strange resemblence to our time eh? As said above “Live free or Die”
Comment LEE — July 20, 2006 @ 4:33 pm
i was just thinking…..
I think NAIS in Britain is the cause of more needlessly killed animals and people than an actual outbreak of disease.
Talk about a backward, outright greed driven plan to devastate people. If anything spells terrorism…….N-A-I-S literally. Corporate government terrorism for people and animals
Comment irene — July 20, 2006 @ 4:49 pm
In Indiana we must register our home by Sept 1,06. FREELY HA HA . We have been telling everyone we come in contact with about NAIS. How can they make everyone sign up if they don’t know about it. I have a letter written by Bob Jackman, District 42, where he says horses and poulty do not need to be registered, only the premise where livestock are housed. We talked with a gentleman who had 200+ sheep and worked for a deed store and had never even heard about NAIS. We are living in a very sad world where the government has taken away our rights. He tries to say that a lot of incorrect information has been said about NAIS. We could use a lot of people standing up against this program but most don’t know about it and don’t want to get involved. He says 9,000 Indiana premises have been registered . OURS ISN’T ONE OF THEM. Keep up the good work Walter. God Bless
Comment LINDA — July 20, 2006 @ 7:41 pm
Any of you subscribers live in New Jersey, or in close enough proximity to Hackensack? It would be a good idea to form a group to educate both those ready to administer the chip, and those getting ready to receive it. From literature I have read, a patient with a chip implanted cannot receive an MRI, and the chip cannot be read within an ambulance because of radio frequency interference from the equipment inside the ambulance. In the case of a patient in an ambulance, in order for the chip to be read, the patient has to be taken outside of the ambulance, which is counter-productive, especially in bad weather.
In the case of an MRI, the chip has to be surgically removed, which is not an easy procedure, before and MRI can be done. There may be more pertinent information to be obtained on why it is ineffective and why it is not a good idea.
Is there anyone who would like to work on getting this information to the facility in Hackensack and to perspective recipients?
Walter, I don’t know if this can be coordinated through your website. Please advise. I don’t know if I should give out my email address at large, but would give it to a list of volunteers for this, if we can get a list through your site. What do you think?
[Sue asked me to add her email address to this message. It is subabu2000@yahoo.com. -WJ]
Comment Sue Babudro — July 20, 2006 @ 8:52 pm
Arkansas has remaimed NAIS
It is now “arkansas volunteer
premises Identification System”
doesn’t that make everybody feel
better now????Where is george
orwell when we need him?????
mandatory is voluntary
voluntary is mandatory….
If this war doesn’t make us
stronger…we are toast anyway…
farmers had already sold out to
the lazy methods of mass production,chemicals and poisons…we need to boycotte all
that toxic food even if we have
to eat weeds…..those rich
liberals are really hurting the
cause by thinking their money will always be able to buy
organic food..I got kicked out of
our “coop” (ha) for handing out
NONAZE flyers…trying to
warn them ..what is that “the
prophet is never heard in his
own country?”
we are the prophets and the liberals are the ostriches..
so much for an expensive college education….it’s hard
not to go off the deep end
which is the best way to alienate people..alas are we
really 100,000 strong walter?
100,000 strong people better
get stronger…..
Comment sid sargent — July 20, 2006 @ 9:35 pm
It’s not just the liberals. They ALL got PAC money. God bless Ron Paul, though. I wrote a letter to naughty Norm Coleman about the North American Union, & RealID. Asked how this “traitorous government could do this to it’s own people?” This morning I was half asleep & dreamed I got a large envelope from the FBI. I awoke in a panic.
Last week I accicentally set my barn on fire (it’s fine). The firemen said they had to wait for the police because of new regulations they had to give a report to FEMA (after 9/11) When I was talking to those cops I was just wondering if I was going to end up in a shoot out with them.
It’s just hard.
And Walter as far as I’ve heard there were already 68 hospitals using the chips. People are stupid.
I asked someone if she’d sign my petition to get our Constitution Party candidate on the ballot & she said “No I’m a staunch Democrat” Why?
And the fireman,too,just looked at me. Probably a Democrat.
And I was one of those people up until April. I’d like to apologize to you all. I love you guys. Wish you were all my neighbors.
Comment Carolyn — July 21, 2006 @ 12:56 pm
Irene, I hear what you are saying. Lee–thanks for saying I was right, about something (at least someone thinks so. . . :-)
I have lived and travelled all over the States and the World. There are many countries I would rather live than the US. Places where people understand food and farming better than here, where the quality of life and pace more match the life I want to lead.
Believe me when I say I contemplate daily living in some other country where our style of life is celebrated rather than marginalized. Yet Lee is right (my turn to return the favor) many of those places would shut me down if I spoke critically of the government like I do here. Many of the freedoms I take for granted don’t exist in those places. As much as I dislike the state of this Country, I fear I would do myself and others an injury if I were to tackle the beauraucracy overseas.
I think it is obnoxious that we have to even think about something like the NAIS, or One World Order, or microchipping hospital patients. We can fight it. We can win.
FEMA tried to tell me I lived in a flood zone once. I live on an island. While there are streams which swell in the spring there is no way in the world the island can flood–every piece of land slopes to the sea. And since FEMA isn’t insisting on Global Warming Insurance (damn, there I go giving the Sods an idea. . .) Water damage is not really an issue here. Yet they insisted I needed to cough up a lot of money to protect me–or them, rather–from the inevitable flooding. I got on the phone and made calls and calls and calls and got through to departments I shouldn’t have. People were told not to speak to me, one gal was fired for her part in the matter. I got FEMA to change my property’s designation and have not been further bothered.
I also got a free washing machine because I proved the factory built a defective machine and any company whose motto was, “Built to Last” should at least make a machine which lasted more than 2 years and should not charge me more than the washer was worth for a new one. I paid $1200 for it. If its supposed to last 20 years “no problem” then I only got $120 of use from it. I told them to give me a credit on my purchase and I’d go buy another machine. 5 months of doing laundry at the ‘mat and several calls overseas to the president of the company I owned a new washing machine for nothing.
40 years ago my father had to fight zoning on his land which tried to charge him extra money on a vacant lot–the county maintained that another house could be built there. He had an architect design the house which would comply with all the zoning codes for that piece of property. It was triangular and had stilts. It broke every building code on record for that town. He didn’t have to pay any extra taxes.
The point is–we can change things. Persistence and logic can win. Beauracracy is self-limiting. It can only get so big before collapsing in on itself. I think we are at this bursting point now. And as the cost of living increases, and interest rates climb and fuel costs soar the bubble will burst. The tide will change and perhaps the great people of this country can regain control of it once again. They might be able to shut me up, perhaps you, but can “they” shut us all up? Not a chance. Keep shouting from the mountain tops, every tower, down every hall. Common sense and logic, ie Truth, will carry the day.
Citizen Podchef, out.
Comment Podchef — July 21, 2006 @ 1:22 pm
“we are the prophets and the liberals are the ostriches..”
Excuse me………… What makes you think NAIS is liberals vs conservatives? The administration that is pushing this mess is one of the most conservative ones we’ve had. As I see it, people of all ethnicities, religions and politics are lined up against this. NAIS is more about government/corporations vs farmers/private landholders and indirectly the general public.
The ostriches are the people that just can’t believe the US would do this.
[Yes! Please everyone, remember that it was the liberal Democrat Senator Leahy from Vermont (Realize I’m from Vermont so I’m gagging on this…) and the conservative Republican Senator Spector from Pennsylvania who had a hand in starting much of what we are fighting now. There are legislators from both sides of the isle that are Pro-NAIS and that are Anti-NAIS. NAIS is a bipartisan bad idea. Look beyond the politics, follow the money and smell the greed. -WJ]
Comment Barbara — July 21, 2006 @ 4:26 pm
“FEMA tried to tell me I lived in a flood zone once.”
I fought that battle also. Some fool made a flood map with no basis in reality. It showed the flood plain hanging a right hand turn at an intersection that is all the same elevation. I eventually had to pay an engineer to certify that my house was above the flood plain.
Comment Barbara — July 21, 2006 @ 4:32 pm
FEMA–Facist Edict Mandate Association
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Comment Monte Waldron — July 21, 2006 @ 7:55 pm
What we have to recognize and spread info about quickly is the fact that “voluntary” only remains voluntary if govt. owned facilities and institutions and corporations are legally PREVENTED from requiring the system. Otherwise, its indirectly mandatory. The notion of a system being voluntary is a real scam when every bank, hospital, insurance company,and employer requires the system. That “Indirectly Madndatory” system has suddenly shifted the laws and governmental rule to that of businesses. I didn’t elect any of those business owners to tell our country what to do. They sure as hell aren’t helping the people and providing systems of help or aid for people, why would we sit idley by while businesses switch over to the “governing body” of the USA? The businesses who start running the country ought to be nervous about a revolt, plus a total boycot of their product(s) in America. I say that every company that attempts to provide VIP service as incenitve for participating in an RFID system, or requires any element of NAIS for any members,to get raked through the coals before the country’s eyes. Those companies are not in charge of us. Our govt needs to be told to step up to this problem, and squash it instead of using it as a tool. WE all have the right to boycot products and services of the companies who decide to require anything along the lines of RFID. That is the power we have. REfuse to buy anything associated with Cargill, Monsanto, etc. Hold rallies declaring boycots. WE ARE capable of doing that. When Americans decide to altogether boycot factory farm products and buy from small local farmers, the market will switch back to all of us being in the seat of power. WE need to rally and say, “Go for it- all you companies that are acting like the new govt- and we’ll parade the day your business closes its doors because we the people refuse to buy your crap!”
INDIRECLT MANDATORY does not have to work against us. Indirectly Mandatory needs to be reveered as a swear word, and how dare any hospital or company attempt to make that a requirement. Companies who attempt to do this garbage should be boycotted permanently, and that message needs to be sent out loud and clear! We are totally in control here when it comes to “indirectly mandatory”. We give our only power away when we continue to buy their products or services. Hey, I won’t go to any hospital that requires that garbage, and remember, when nobody else goes either, they will HAVE to change that policy! There are other hospitals out there, heck, even if the people have to go to India for the better health care and doctors, then SO BE IT. The message here is that there are other insurance companies, there are other seed companies, there are other hospitals. Together, the flat our refusal of their requirements is what will dictate how we are treated in this country. In the meantime, “America….From Freedom to Facism” is going to hit theaters Nationwide on July 28th. I really think that once national audiences see that govt. documentary, we will have a very easy time of firing the crappy officials doing harm to the Copnstitution. The documentary is downright jawdropping. Go see it and tell everyone you know to go see it too. The info website about it is www.FreedomtoFacism.com, or you can read more about it at www.GiveMeLiberty.org HElp is on the way with this film for sure. I saw it in MArch and its utterly absolutely unbelievable and the country will be different afterward- guaranteed!
Comment Rene — July 24, 2006 @ 11:59 am
Nais, chipping the homeless or the chronic hospital patients is only the tip of the iceberg. The truth is that the gov’t is planning to chip us all. If you don’t,you stand to lose everything. The idea is to go to a cashless society where every transaction exacts a tax. You will need to be chipped to pay your property taxes or lose your land. Even more sinister and Orwellian is the fact that you can be tracked wherever you go in proximity to a scanner.
Around spring of 2005 there was a segment on The Today Show where Matt Lahrer was interviewing a spokesperson for one of the chip manufacturers touting how great it would be for tracking medical records. He quickly glossed over offhandedly how it can be used to tie into personal and financial records. Katie Couric did a spot for NBC’s “the more you know” public service messages (8pmEST) touting we should chip our children to keep them safe from human predators. The only way that could happen is if it has GPS ability. Average folks don’t want to talk about it.
Do a search for the Verichip Corp. in Florida. I believe that is the company being interviewed. Their subsidiary is the Angelchip. Corp. which does the animal chipping.
When all this comes into play even dissidents will be rounded up with the chip if it can be tracked by GPS. Interesting that this program (NAIS)is being put in under the Patriot Act’s Homeland Security.
Although the future looks bleak on this subject, we must do everything we can to stop it.
Two Crows
Comment John Ginart — August 12, 2006 @ 10:19 am
Hey you all…..For all of you who value this wonderful website, let me suggest that each of you place an ad in your local newspapers classifieds, perhaps in differnet sections…such as jobs, for sale, pets, ect. God tells us in His word that ” My people perish for Lack of Knowledge”. So lets get out there and make this website known…..God bless the USA.
www.nonais.org
Comment Connie — March 21, 2008 @ 11:30 am
good idea.
Comment nick — March 21, 2008 @ 8:05 pm
The kids going to the local school could not answer your challenge question. I tested 10 kids in the neighborhood and NONE could subtract!!
For Home schooling Check out www.Robinson curriculum.com at the time we purchased it the cost was $200 for all 12 grades. Dr Robinson developed it in desperation after his wife died suddenly. It is self-taught. His eldest tested out of the first 2 years of college! Some of the churches in my area have “home schooling” clubs this helps parents who have to work but want to home school.
I have stamped on the back of my business card “nonais.com” I hand out my cards to people in the supermarket, gas station….and tell them a little about NAIS and to google the site on the back of my card.. Most are horrified.
COMMUNISM ~~ the government owns the means and method of production. FASCISM the government controls the means and method of production.
Comment Snazy snezy — March 22, 2008 @ 4:36 pm