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		<title>by: Snazy snezy</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2010/08/05/bureaucrats-come-calling/#comment-1814007</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Walter, you should do a post about the infamous &quot;Commerce Clause&quot; and the case of Wickard v. Filburn heard before the Supreme Court.  ALL farmers, gardeners, pet owners and the general population need to be aware of this travesty of justice.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://firearmsfreedomact.com/what-is-the-commerce-clause/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What is the Commerce Clause and Why is it Important?&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;Wickard was a wheat farmer in Illinois and Filburn was the Secretary of Agriculture.  In order to maintain wheat prices, Congress had instituted price supports for Wheat markets, along with quotas for growing wheat.  Wickard was not only growing wheat for market, but he also grew an extra acre of wheat to harvest to give to his wife to grind into flour to make bread for the Wickard family.  The Department of Agriculture, tasked to enforce the wheat quotas, asserted that the acre of wheat Wickard grew for his family was a violation of the quotas.

Wickard sued.  The Department of Agriculture claimed that Congress had commerce clause authority under the Constitution to prohibit Wickard’s practice of growing wheat for his family. &lt;b&gt;Even though it was admitted that the wheat Wickard grew for his family never left the farm, the Department of Agriculture claimed that this practice affected interstate commerce.  If Wickard had not given this wheat to his wife, the government argued, it might have traveled across a state line and could have affected interstate commerce.  Further, the government argued, if Wickard had not given farm-grown wheat to his wife to feed the family, his wife would have bought bread at the store – bread that might have crossed a state line and might have affected interstate commerce.&lt;/b&gt;

Thus, the government argued, Congress had sufficient constitutional authority under the commerce clause to impose the wheat quotas on Wickard and prohibit him from growing extra wheat to feed his family.

...the [Supreme] Court upheld the government’s arguments in Wickard, thereby dramatically expanding the power of Congress to “regulate commerce … among the states.”&quot;


As you can see the clause in the bill HR875 
&lt;b&gt;&quot;in any action to enforce the requirements of the food safety law, the connection with interstate commerce required for jurisdiction SHALL BE PRESUMED TO EXIST.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

means ALL growing of food even that grown on you own land and consumed by your family could be regulated if this clause is added to a food safety bill.

In the case of the Animal Welfare Act the clause was added as an amendment several years later.  That is the danger with ANY law and the infamous &quot;Commerce Clause&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter, you should do a post about the infamous &#8220;Commerce Clause&#8221; and the case of Wickard v. Filburn heard before the Supreme Court.  ALL farmers, gardeners, pet owners and the general population need to be aware of this travesty of justice.</p>
<p><a href="http://firearmsfreedomact.com/what-is-the-commerce-clause/" rel="nofollow">What is the Commerce Clause and Why is it Important?</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Wickard was a wheat farmer in Illinois and Filburn was the Secretary of Agriculture.  In order to maintain wheat prices, Congress had instituted price supports for Wheat markets, along with quotas for growing wheat.  Wickard was not only growing wheat for market, but he also grew an extra acre of wheat to harvest to give to his wife to grind into flour to make bread for the Wickard family.  The Department of Agriculture, tasked to enforce the wheat quotas, asserted that the acre of wheat Wickard grew for his family was a violation of the quotas.</p>
<p>Wickard sued.  The Department of Agriculture claimed that Congress had commerce clause authority under the Constitution to prohibit Wickard’s practice of growing wheat for his family. <b>Even though it was admitted that the wheat Wickard grew for his family never left the farm, the Department of Agriculture claimed that this practice affected interstate commerce.  If Wickard had not given this wheat to his wife, the government argued, it might have traveled across a state line and could have affected interstate commerce.  Further, the government argued, if Wickard had not given farm-grown wheat to his wife to feed the family, his wife would have bought bread at the store – bread that might have crossed a state line and might have affected interstate commerce.</b></p>
<p>Thus, the government argued, Congress had sufficient constitutional authority under the commerce clause to impose the wheat quotas on Wickard and prohibit him from growing extra wheat to feed his family.</p>
<p>&#8230;the [Supreme] Court upheld the government’s arguments in Wickard, thereby dramatically expanding the power of Congress to “regulate commerce … among the states.”&#8221;</p>
<p>As you can see the clause in the bill HR875<br />
<b>&#8220;in any action to enforce the requirements of the food safety law, the connection with interstate commerce required for jurisdiction SHALL BE PRESUMED TO EXIST.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>means ALL growing of food even that grown on you own land and consumed by your family could be regulated if this clause is added to a food safety bill.</p>
<p>In the case of the Animal Welfare Act the clause was added as an amendment several years later.  That is the danger with ANY law and the infamous &#8220;Commerce Clause&#8221;
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		<title>by: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2010/08/05/bureaucrats-come-calling/#comment-1805266</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Here's another thought about commerce. If a horse crosses a state line, but does not change ownership, how is that commerce? Doesn't commerce require that something be sold?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another thought about commerce. If a horse crosses a state line, but does not change ownership, how is that commerce? Doesn&#8217;t commerce require that something be sold?
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		<title>by: The Phantom</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2010/08/05/bureaucrats-come-calling/#comment-1801856</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Doreen's article is at newswithviews.com today...and another article goes along with it's theme...it is by J.B. Williams re: our &quot;Public Servants&quot;...do you know how much money (salaries) our Congress people make...that is known? He tells you. Also, there is a commentary re: the U.S. and Russia joining together on a joint task...I found the information from an American high ranking military person of interest...and in this commentary...there is mention of Hillary Clinton and an international....something...re: gun control....I am becoming aware of how all these bills that are passing through Congress...like the food safety bill...health care...etc...always have ominous things &quot;hidden&quot; in them...I really do not understand how they get away with so much deceit...guess they all think we  are all really at a 6th grade level...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doreen&#8217;s article is at newswithviews.com today&#8230;and another article goes along with it&#8217;s theme&#8230;it is by J.B. Williams re: our &#8220;Public Servants&#8221;&#8230;do you know how much money (salaries) our Congress people make&#8230;that is known? He tells you. Also, there is a commentary re: the U.S. and Russia joining together on a joint task&#8230;I found the information from an American high ranking military person of interest&#8230;and in this commentary&#8230;there is mention of Hillary Clinton and an international&#8230;.something&#8230;re: gun control&#8230;.I am becoming aware of how all these bills that are passing through Congress&#8230;like the food safety bill&#8230;health care&#8230;etc&#8230;always have ominous things &#8220;hidden&#8221; in them&#8230;I really do not understand how they get away with so much deceit&#8230;guess they all think we  are all really at a 6th grade level&#8230;
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		<title>by: The Phantom</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2010/08/05/bureaucrats-come-calling/#comment-1801567</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Re: Commerce..there is a new book out by attorney Jacob Huebert...titled: Libertarianism Today...you can read Dr. Walter Block's review of it at:  lewrockwell.com/block/block163.html  In it, he refers to Chapter 8 covering such things as &quot;The Commerce Clause&quot;...Due Process, etc.  Dr. Block is very high on this book and its author...his review is posted at lewrockwell today.Maybe even contact attorney Huebert himself with your question...on commerce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Commerce..there is a new book out by attorney Jacob Huebert&#8230;titled: Libertarianism Today&#8230;you can read Dr. Walter Block&#8217;s review of it at:  lewrockwell.com/block/block163.html  In it, he refers to Chapter 8 covering such things as &#8220;The Commerce Clause&#8221;&#8230;Due Process, etc.  Dr. Block is very high on this book and its author&#8230;his review is posted at lewrockwell today.Maybe even contact attorney Huebert himself with your question&#8230;on commerce.
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		<title>by: Doreen</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2010/08/05/bureaucrats-come-calling/#comment-1801554</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't have the link any longer. That was something I ran across a hundred years ago in the early days of NAIS. A couple of computers ago anyway!

 However, what Ifound in researching things on this visit was this in 9CFR:

http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/381-1-definitions-19611982

Commerce. Commerce means commerce between any State, any territory, or the District of Columbia, and any place outside thereof; or within any territory not organized with a legislative body, or the District of Columbia.

Read more: http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/381-1-definitions-19611982#ixzz0vnJh1JzV


 Which is really somewhat more intriguing as it seems the we, as people, not being states, territories or DC or a 'place' would be incapable of participating in commerce...However, should we receive PIN's, or sell to one of the delineated 'places', like school lunch programs, it seems we might be capable of achieving commerce by the applicable definition in this section of the CFR.

 It sure as heck is interesting. And I am waiting on the protocol on the Dept of Ag complaints. It would seem that there should be constraints on public servants though. 

 Sorry about the html...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have the link any longer. That was something I ran across a hundred years ago in the early days of NAIS. A couple of computers ago anyway!</p>
<p> However, what Ifound in researching things on this visit was this in 9CFR:</p>
<p><a href='http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/381-1-definitions-19611982' rel='nofollow'>http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/381-1-definitions-19611982</a></p>
<p>Commerce. Commerce means commerce between any State, any territory, or the District of Columbia, and any place outside thereof; or within any territory not organized with a legislative body, or the District of Columbia.</p>
<p>Read more: <a href='http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/381-1-definitions-19611982#ixzz0vnJh1JzV' rel='nofollow'>http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/381-1-definitions-19611982#ixzz0vnJh1JzV</a></p>
<p> Which is really somewhat more intriguing as it seems the we, as people, not being states, territories or DC or a &#8216;place&#8217; would be incapable of participating in commerce&#8230;However, should we receive PIN&#8217;s, or sell to one of the delineated &#8216;places&#8217;, like school lunch programs, it seems we might be capable of achieving commerce by the applicable definition in this section of the CFR.</p>
<p> It sure as heck is interesting. And I am waiting on the protocol on the Dept of Ag complaints. It would seem that there should be constraints on public servants though. </p>
<p> Sorry about the html&#8230;
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		<title>by: esbee</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2010/08/05/bureaucrats-come-calling/#comment-1800736</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 01:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>answer to #5--those officials probably get around the public reporting an offense by having someone in the know or in the pocket  &quot;file&quot; a complaint...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>answer to #5&#8211;those officials probably get around the public reporting an offense by having someone in the know or in the pocket  &#8220;file&#8221; a complaint&#8230;
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		<title>by: Rachael</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2010/08/05/bureaucrats-come-calling/#comment-1800389</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 05:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have a relative in local/state government working with zoning and rural planning. She has told me before that she is legally and ethically barred from filing complaints, reporting violations, investigating or assessing fines on certain things when she sees them occurring on private property, even if she can see them from the roadway while casually driving by, in at least some situations (such as trees being cut down on commercial property without a permit, but I don't know what else specifically), but rather has to wait until the violations are reported by a member of the general public. I wonder if DOA agents are also not allowed to do this sort of thing... Not saying that they might not have been skirting the law and professional ethics here or in similar situations, I just wonder what their actual, by-the-book policy is on reporting and investigating such potential violations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a relative in local/state government working with zoning and rural planning. She has told me before that she is legally and ethically barred from filing complaints, reporting violations, investigating or assessing fines on certain things when she sees them occurring on private property, even if she can see them from the roadway while casually driving by, in at least some situations (such as trees being cut down on commercial property without a permit, but I don&#8217;t know what else specifically), but rather has to wait until the violations are reported by a member of the general public. I wonder if DOA agents are also not allowed to do this sort of thing&#8230; Not saying that they might not have been skirting the law and professional ethics here or in similar situations, I just wonder what their actual, by-the-book policy is on reporting and investigating such potential violations.
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		<title>by: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2010/08/05/bureaucrats-come-calling/#comment-1800297</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Doreen,
Is there a link to that definition of commerce?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doreen,<br />
Is there a link to that definition of commerce?
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		<title>by: Doreen</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2010/08/05/bureaucrats-come-calling/#comment-1799546</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm 'gathering' information at this point. Unfortunately, I didn't give them the PSQ. The copies were not where I had left them. 

 This is going to be addressed by many...Stay tuned. BTW, we don't have any local tv. I'd have to write it for local papers, and will when I have a little more, but they are a dicey proposition.

 I am a regular guest on The Power Hour now, and will be on Monday August 9th from 9-10 Central. We'll be discussing this and raids that are happening all over the nation Monday.

Thanks all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m &#8216;gathering&#8217; information at this point. Unfortunately, I didn&#8217;t give them the PSQ. The copies were not where I had left them. </p>
<p> This is going to be addressed by many&#8230;Stay tuned. BTW, we don&#8217;t have any local tv. I&#8217;d have to write it for local papers, and will when I have a little more, but they are a dicey proposition.</p>
<p> I am a regular guest on The Power Hour now, and will be on Monday August 9th from 9-10 Central. We&#8217;ll be discussing this and raids that are happening all over the nation Monday.</p>
<p>Thanks all!
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		<title>by: esbee</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2010/08/05/bureaucrats-come-calling/#comment-1799323</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In the mean time, how many meth labs were making their poison and selling it to the youth in that area? How many children were being abused by sex offenders?  How many drug deals were going down?

I was wondering did you give them the Pubic Servant Questionaire to fill out?  Could they be  getting ready to do a sting of some sort.  Have you called your local newspaper or tv news  to let them know what's up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the mean time, how many meth labs were making their poison and selling it to the youth in that area? How many children were being abused by sex offenders?  How many drug deals were going down?</p>
<p>I was wondering did you give them the Pubic Servant Questionaire to fill out?  Could they be  getting ready to do a sting of some sort.  Have you called your local newspaper or tv news  to let them know what&#8217;s up?
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