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		<title>by: Mrs. Michael Sabo</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2009/04/15/meeting-with-vilsack/#comment-1542937</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Just wondering - if WI was having such an effective program on the entire &quot;Mandatory NAIS no Premises ID = $5,000 fine&quot; thing when the letters were sent out to livestock owners in Feb/March - why has legislation been introduced by Suder to switch the state back to Voluntary?

Could it just possibly be that by residing under State Control the fines will go to the State?

I think once WI found out that &quot;Mandatory at the Federal Level&quot; meant that the USDA might be collecting the cash while WI had to be-bop around the state Enforcing Federal Regulations (and thereby having to spend $) - it became alot more appealing to keep the program Voluntary. 

In our state an effective point is that for every $5 Federal Funding - Illinois has to kick in $1 to promote Premises ID. According to some accounts it will take another $10 - $15 million federal dollars to get us &quot;up to&quot; critical mass in this state. So Illinois will have to kick in more cash to make this mandatory and then spend money to enforce Regulations that will fill the pockets of the Federal Fine collectors. 

Illinois Legislators don't like that so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering - if WI was having such an effective program on the entire &#8220;Mandatory NAIS no Premises ID = $5,000 fine&#8221; thing when the letters were sent out to livestock owners in Feb/March - why has legislation been introduced by Suder to switch the state back to Voluntary?</p>
<p>Could it just possibly be that by residing under State Control the fines will go to the State?</p>
<p>I think once WI found out that &#8220;Mandatory at the Federal Level&#8221; meant that the USDA might be collecting the cash while WI had to be-bop around the state Enforcing Federal Regulations (and thereby having to spend $) - it became alot more appealing to keep the program Voluntary. </p>
<p>In our state an effective point is that for every $5 Federal Funding - Illinois has to kick in $1 to promote Premises ID. According to some accounts it will take another $10 - $15 million federal dollars to get us &#8220;up to&#8221; critical mass in this state. So Illinois will have to kick in more cash to make this mandatory and then spend money to enforce Regulations that will fill the pockets of the Federal Fine collectors. </p>
<p>Illinois Legislators don&#8217;t like that so much!
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		<title>by: beeGrl</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2009/04/15/meeting-with-vilsack/#comment-1541498</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Theres a thread over on homesteading today about this where some is trashing nonais. I dont know enough to defend it.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://homesteadingtoday.com/showthread.php?t=303321&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;[Since the person (#55) in question on that forum seems to have a long standing personal vendetta against me I will refrain from responding to his baiting. Others should feel free to correct him and I hope you will. Do keep things polite and accurate. Don't fall for his trap of lies and distortions of the truth. -WJ]&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theres a thread over on homesteading today about this where some is trashing nonais. I dont know enough to defend it.</p>
<p><a href="http://homesteadingtoday.com/showthread.php?t=303321">link</a></p>
<p><i>[Since the person (#55) in question on that forum seems to have a long standing personal vendetta against me I will refrain from responding to his baiting. Others should feel free to correct him and I hope you will. Do keep things polite and accurate. Don&#8217;t fall for his trap of lies and distortions of the truth. -WJ]</i>
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		<title>by: esbee</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2009/04/15/meeting-with-vilsack/#comment-1541290</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>US Livestock Marketing &amp;#38; Management
The Source for Livestock News in the Alleys 

April 21, 2009, high noon.

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The U.S. Livestock Auction Markets have grave concern over the talk of &quot;mandatory&quot; NAIS that rumbled out of the nations capitol last week. Market operators are skeptical that the current National Animal Identification System plan will maintain the &quot;speed of commerce&quot; in livestock marketing – an absolute necessity in maintaining a viable marketing system that serves tens of thousands of producers every day. Because of those and other concerns, the policy of the Livestock Marketing Association is that NAIS should remain voluntary. 

Nancy Robinson, the LMA's President for Government and Industry Affairs testified, &quot;speed of commerce&quot; means processing and marketing cattle on sale day within just a few hours, minimizing weight shrinkage, protecting the safety and welfare of market employees and the livestock they handle, and moving animals on to their next destination &quot;with a minimum of delay.&quot; 

That was part of the message brought by Nancy Robinson to an April 15 discussion on the future of NAIS. The discussion was called by U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack, and held at USDA. Those invited included &quot;a selected spectrum of views&quot; on NAIS, with a heavy slanted testimony toward USDA funded and animal health providers.

A mandated ID program will likely require many markets to establish tagging services for their consignors who are unable to tag their animals on farm. That will lead to many other concerns for the markets, including added costs to the market, extra labor, worker safety, liability, and animal welfare.

In the industry thousands of cattle are sold in a single day. Most arrive the morning of the auction. Paper tags are glued to critter's backs at the speed they unload from a semi. These numbers are cataloged by auction personnel and easily visible by buyers from a normal distance. This system has historically worked well, and economical. No cattle are lost, or else the management would be responsible.

The impossibility of a mandatory NAIS would require several more hours for tagging and computer recording. Instead of livestock arriving the morning of the sale and leaving the same day it would require consignments arrive a day early. This would create an increase yardage and handling fee. Each time a pound is lost by stressing it reduces the health and value. Pounds and minutes are dollars. 

The current system works well millions of times a year. It has been fine tuned by cattle handling professionals for centuries. The current system doesn't require trained computer technology, or electronic reading scanners. If there is an electrical failure the entire system, as currently used, can continue on schedule.

Market consignment fees include commission, brand inspection, health, and yardage. Currently these sale fees are $11 to $19 per animal. With a mandatory NAIS it is projected to go to $26 to $41. Not only would NAIS mandatory force markets to expand corrals to board cattle an extra day, purchase thousands of dollars in computer equipment, but also totally change the skill level of auction staff. If a computer error is made during the process, a hefty fine is proposed by NAIS planners.

LMA Information Director, John McBride says, &quot;What it is going to do is make our people the policemen for NAIS, and of course they don't want to be that.&quot;

&quot;So we don't end up with a system people resist, people resent and that people figure out ways to get around it,&quot; Sec. Vilsack told reporters, this is his goal.  Vilsack acknowledged there are very passionate feelings concerning NAIS and he would like to sit down and discuss ways a mandatory program could be acceptable.

Most livestock and marketing organizations are being politically polite toward the Secretary----but, unfortunately for NAIS---what they won't stand for at all is the one part----MANDATORY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US Livestock Marketing &amp; Management<br />
The Source for Livestock News in the Alleys </p>
<p>April 21, 2009, high noon.</p>
<p>WASHINGTON, D.C. &#8212; The U.S. Livestock Auction Markets have grave concern over the talk of &#8220;mandatory&#8221; NAIS that rumbled out of the nations capitol last week. Market operators are skeptical that the current National Animal Identification System plan will maintain the &#8220;speed of commerce&#8221; in livestock marketing – an absolute necessity in maintaining a viable marketing system that serves tens of thousands of producers every day. Because of those and other concerns, the policy of the Livestock Marketing Association is that NAIS should remain voluntary. </p>
<p>Nancy Robinson, the LMA&#8217;s President for Government and Industry Affairs testified, &#8220;speed of commerce&#8221; means processing and marketing cattle on sale day within just a few hours, minimizing weight shrinkage, protecting the safety and welfare of market employees and the livestock they handle, and moving animals on to their next destination &#8220;with a minimum of delay.&#8221; </p>
<p>That was part of the message brought by Nancy Robinson to an April 15 discussion on the future of NAIS. The discussion was called by U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack, and held at USDA. Those invited included &#8220;a selected spectrum of views&#8221; on NAIS, with a heavy slanted testimony toward USDA funded and animal health providers.</p>
<p>A mandated ID program will likely require many markets to establish tagging services for their consignors who are unable to tag their animals on farm. That will lead to many other concerns for the markets, including added costs to the market, extra labor, worker safety, liability, and animal welfare.</p>
<p>In the industry thousands of cattle are sold in a single day. Most arrive the morning of the auction. Paper tags are glued to critter&#8217;s backs at the speed they unload from a semi. These numbers are cataloged by auction personnel and easily visible by buyers from a normal distance. This system has historically worked well, and economical. No cattle are lost, or else the management would be responsible.</p>
<p>The impossibility of a mandatory NAIS would require several more hours for tagging and computer recording. Instead of livestock arriving the morning of the sale and leaving the same day it would require consignments arrive a day early. This would create an increase yardage and handling fee. Each time a pound is lost by stressing it reduces the health and value. Pounds and minutes are dollars. </p>
<p>The current system works well millions of times a year. It has been fine tuned by cattle handling professionals for centuries. The current system doesn&#8217;t require trained computer technology, or electronic reading scanners. If there is an electrical failure the entire system, as currently used, can continue on schedule.</p>
<p>Market consignment fees include commission, brand inspection, health, and yardage. Currently these sale fees are $11 to $19 per animal. With a mandatory NAIS it is projected to go to $26 to $41. Not only would NAIS mandatory force markets to expand corrals to board cattle an extra day, purchase thousands of dollars in computer equipment, but also totally change the skill level of auction staff. If a computer error is made during the process, a hefty fine is proposed by NAIS planners.</p>
<p>LMA Information Director, John McBride says, &#8220;What it is going to do is make our people the policemen for NAIS, and of course they don&#8217;t want to be that.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;So we don&#8217;t end up with a system people resist, people resent and that people figure out ways to get around it,&#8221; Sec. Vilsack told reporters, this is his goal.  Vilsack acknowledged there are very passionate feelings concerning NAIS and he would like to sit down and discuss ways a mandatory program could be acceptable.</p>
<p>Most livestock and marketing organizations are being politically polite toward the Secretary&#8212;-but, unfortunately for NAIS&#8212;what they won&#8217;t stand for at all is the one part&#8212;-MANDATORY!
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		<title>by: Mark</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2009/04/15/meeting-with-vilsack/#comment-1539686</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Farm Alliance:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://farmandranchfreedom.org/content/files/Mtg-Vilsack-written-submission.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;statement&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farm Alliance:</p>
<p><a href="http://farmandranchfreedom.org/content/files/Mtg-Vilsack-written-submission.pdf" rel="nofollow">statement</a>
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		<title>by: Denise</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2009/04/15/meeting-with-vilsack/#comment-1539650</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>good commentary Walter...kudos.

I would still be wary, the fact that Vilsack is still considering the program is cause for concern, he states &quot;trying to find a consensus everyone can agree on&quot;.

NAIS needs to be scrapped completely, this should not even be a Federal program at Taxpayer expense.

Big Ag is pushing the Feds so they don't have to pay for it themselves.

as Walter commented let the private industry pick up the tab and implement NAIS if they feel it is a necessary tracking system.

Fedex and UPS have their own system let Big Ag model NAIS after theirs and leave the feds and taxpayers OUT OF IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good commentary Walter&#8230;kudos.</p>
<p>I would still be wary, the fact that Vilsack is still considering the program is cause for concern, he states &#8220;trying to find a consensus everyone can agree on&#8221;.</p>
<p>NAIS needs to be scrapped completely, this should not even be a Federal program at Taxpayer expense.</p>
<p>Big Ag is pushing the Feds so they don&#8217;t have to pay for it themselves.</p>
<p>as Walter commented let the private industry pick up the tab and implement NAIS if they feel it is a necessary tracking system.</p>
<p>Fedex and UPS have their own system let Big Ag model NAIS after theirs and leave the feds and taxpayers OUT OF IT!
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		<title>by: Anna</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2009/04/15/meeting-with-vilsack/#comment-1537693</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>About the same time you were talking to the USDA, I was talking to one of my state congressmen about the NAIS. 

http://smallfarmliving.today.com/2009/04/17/nais-political-action/

I told my congressman that he needed to get with the USDA and ask them why they are force registering individuals into a &quot;voluntary&quot; system. My congressman was newly elected in November so he's a rookie in Congress, and he didn't know anything about NAIS, but I was able to provide him copies of information from this website and several others to back up the sentiments of the small farm owners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the same time you were talking to the USDA, I was talking to one of my state congressmen about the NAIS. </p>
<p><a href='http://smallfarmliving.today.com/2009/04/17/nais-political-action/' rel='nofollow'>http://smallfarmliving.today.com/2009/04/17/nais-political-action/</a></p>
<p>I told my congressman that he needed to get with the USDA and ask them why they are force registering individuals into a &#8220;voluntary&#8221; system. My congressman was newly elected in November so he&#8217;s a rookie in Congress, and he didn&#8217;t know anything about NAIS, but I was able to provide him copies of information from this website and several others to back up the sentiments of the small farm owners.
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		<title>by: Tee</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2009/04/15/meeting-with-vilsack/#comment-1537681</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>For AQHA it's all about the sponsorship money.  Nutrena and Purina sponsor them, and guess who those companies are subsidiaries of.  The American Horse Council has never been anything but detrimental to the equine industry.  They are just another self-feeding monster at the trough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For AQHA it&#8217;s all about the sponsorship money.  Nutrena and Purina sponsor them, and guess who those companies are subsidiaries of.  The American Horse Council has never been anything but detrimental to the equine industry.  They are just another self-feeding monster at the trough.
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		<title>by: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2009/04/15/meeting-with-vilsack/#comment-1537578</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I see that the American Horse Council was on the list of speakers.  Why do I get the feeling that they weren't representing the &amp;#62;90% of horse owners in the Western Horseman online poll?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that the American Horse Council was on the list of speakers.  Why do I get the feeling that they weren&#8217;t representing the &gt;90% of horse owners in the Western Horseman online poll?
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		<title>by: esbee</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2009/04/15/meeting-with-vilsack/#comment-1536578</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I noticed Billy Smith was on the agenda...he is from the quarter horse assoc.  Both he
and he and Ward Stutz from AQHA are FOR NAIS...I have had words with Stutz about NAIS...they are for it for the purposes of exporting horses, which there are already ways to do so without NAIS. My horses are not in that game the big boys play...once again, the big guys drag the little guys through the mud for their own gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed Billy Smith was on the agenda&#8230;he is from the quarter horse assoc.  Both he<br />
and he and Ward Stutz from AQHA are FOR NAIS&#8230;I have had words with Stutz about NAIS&#8230;they are for it for the purposes of exporting horses, which there are already ways to do so without NAIS. My horses are not in that game the big boys play&#8230;once again, the big guys drag the little guys through the mud for their own gain.
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		<title>by: esbee</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2009/04/15/meeting-with-vilsack/#comment-1536573</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree with Walter on the means and ways the USDA went about trying to get people, uh, stakeholders, to be part of NAIS...they shot themselves in the foot.(actually, a whole half a body higher in their anatomy!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Walter on the means and ways the USDA went about trying to get people, uh, stakeholders, to be part of NAIS&#8230;they shot themselves in the foot.(actually, a whole half a body higher in their anatomy!)
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