Comments on: USDA Makes NAIS Mandatory - RCALF Fights Back

by: Alyn

Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:34:57 +0000

#1 Tim and all who think the same.

You are either a gov shill or FULLY under the mind control by the government and believe EVERY single thing they tell you while neglecting to look around and see what we are really living in.

Reality. Does it scare you or would you rather be told what to think and feel?

The scare of ALL their SCARES are ONLY SCAREs.

There is NO truth to them.

Problem/Reaction/Soluition.

This is the BS that the U.S. gov has been doing for about 100 years to you and me and the public falls for it until we giveup our LAST liberty in the name of safety.

tell me, WHO IS MORE SAFE?

I know who is less free, but WHO IS MORE SAFE because of ONE, (NAME ONE) law that replaced our freedom (no matter how small you may feel it is)?

Were done because stupid, brainwashed individuals live in this country.

WHAT part of the MARXIST MANIFESTO HAS NOT BEEN ACHIVED IN THE GOOD OLE USA?!

by: donna

Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:38:00 +0000

If there is still time to submit comments in regard to the cloned and gmo meat and milk issue DO THAT!

These ridiculous time wasters are showing up on forum communities that evidence power to counter the bullies.

It’s a complement in one respect, but we shouldn’t allow ourselves to be distracted trying to convince someone being paid to ‘monkey wrench’ our focus.

Pass them on by.

by: nick

Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:33:29 +0000

lets not give tim to much of our time.lets get busy helping R-CALF. they need us (you and me) to help with a membership drive.numbers are what the feds understand. R-CALF seems to be the only group that is willing to take the government on,and we need to help.the stakes are getting to high and time is getting to short .we all know what R-CALF is and what good works they do so lets help them.

by: sally

Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:25:13 +0000

Tim,
If you are a farmer, and if you are worried about the quality of products (for example, cattle) put into the food supply, I urge you to get together with others growing the same product you are, come up with a set of standards, and voluntarily live by those standards. Those wishing to be assured of those standards can buy only from you and your fellows. But don’t ask me, who has no animals like yours (for example, cattle) and who does not sell to the general public (for example, through livestock auctions) to spend my time and money on YOUR personal gain.
In my case NAIS will lessen the health of my animals. I will no longer regularly (and at my own expence) test for diseases, for fear that they will bring my farm to my state’s USDA’s attention. I will do all I can to insure that no agency comes to my farm to wipe out my animals just because some disease was found down the road and USDA isn’t patient enough to test and see if mine are infected.
I fear greatly for my Amish neighbors. While my amials help feed my family, I have other alternatives. They do not. I respect their wish to live outside mainstream culture and Christianity, as they respect mine to live inside. It’s called Freedom of Religion. My Muslim neighbors are against NAIS as well.

by: Joy

Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:33:51 +0000

Yee-ha! The Public Disclosure docs at www.nonaiswa.org are hitting the ground and the pusher’s of NAIS are scrambling and buzzing around like bees in a hive that was just crashed by a bear.

One small step for traditional farming and We the People!
Two steps back for the NAIS PUSHERS.

by: Paul-Martin:Griepentrog

Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:43:14 +0000

The Lost People. Earlier this year my father gave me a book outlining the heritage of my ancestors, on his mother's side of the family. A beautifully done collection of photos and history. They even had detailed information of their Pomeranian origins and the reason for their exodus, religious persecution. Not an uncommon occurrence in those times, as this country was, for many, the destination of the oppressed. In an ironic twist of fate we now have come full circle, with our government becoming the oppressors of religious freedom. In an incident stemming from the outbreak of psuedo rabies in Clark Co. where 47 Amish farms that had their hogs killed, because of two positive tests in Russian boar pigs, where none of the farmers involved had premise certification. The Wisc. DATCP took it upon themselves to prosecute only one of the 44 farmers remaining. Three chose to not have animals to avoid registration. Emmanuel Miller Jr. was chosen for prosecution, having written a letter to the DA Darwin Zwieg, stating that collectively the group had decided to leave it up to Zwieg and Judge Jon Counsell to find an attorney to represent them. In an act of faith reminiscent of Daniel, the letter indicated that the Amish would trust that God's guidance would direct them. Duane Brander, Compliance Officer, acting under orders from Dr. Paul McGraw DVM head of the animal health division of the Dept of Ag. determined that forced compliance was necessary. In an effort to make a landmark case against the religious objections of the Amish and others. Zweig stated that "the case was filed as a complex forfeiture." The case is subject to administrative civil procedure, a Wikipedia search came up to annotated Wisc statutes, that by a preponderance of the evidence, the defendant must proof innocence. Although used in other countries, it is for the prosecution of organized crime. Although the Amish are organized in a communal sense and certainly can be witnessed at any barn raising, any application of the word criminal certainly doesn't apply. However the severe inconvenience of the DATCP personnel, having to go door to door, to search farms for hogs in the area, deprived of their ivory towers with air conditioning, their laptops to simply plug in premise registrations is tantamount of high treason, against the administrative bodies enforcing Big Ag's corporate agenda. text textis an article that displays the indifference of Farm Bureau to these religious concerns. Although I agree disease issues are a concern, they can only be addressed at the source. Farm Bureau, National Cattlemen's Beef Assn. and other organizations with strong ties to USDA and government officials, including this states ag committees, continue to advocate the import of diseased livestock from foreign countries, whether as willful intent to do harm, or depraved indifference, the results are the same. Nothing is being done to stem the source of these diseases. The spread of disease will further the implementation of NAIS, these organizations will be the beneficiaries of these programs . Having received Federal grants to operate the data base and tracking system. Where every animal movement must be entered and subject to fees. While this is certainly cause for concern, the situation has only worsened, text is yet another reason to resist premise registration as it grants warrant less searches, fines and forfeitures, never mentioned by those promoting the program. Why implement such a program in the first place, with all these inherent violations of our personal freedoms? In the end we are told to follow the money, who will truly benefit from "premises registration." A look into the definition of this word on an international basis may give us insight. The answer lies here text. This will explain where the collateral for our national debt has been coming from to fund the bailouts. As I write this it is Veteran's Day, we are reminded to remember our Veterans. Let us also remember those veterans who with frozen feet wrapped in rags, crossed that dark valley so long ago to gain us our freedom. Most of them were Calvinists, here fleeing religious persecution. When they came for the Amish, I did nothing because I was not Amish........

by: Bob Constantine

Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:39:12 +0000

Hey Comrade Tim Lowe you stated you support NAIS. Fine. I don’t.
You have my permission to implement voluntary NAIS. Don’t use any tax money, don’t intimidate anybody and don’t turn voluntary into mandatory.

So Tim whaada ya figure you’ll get like 3, maybe 4 people to join your NAIS club?

Oh wait a minute we HAVE to join your NAIS club because YOU
have determined what’s best for us. Thanks for running my life…wouldn’t know what to do without your type around.

by: Barbara

Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:55:12 +0000

“Western Horseman magazine and Penn Sate had polls on NAIS. Over 90% are against NAIS in both.. ”

Esbee,
As you stated we strive for accuracy in what we say, so I must point out that while the Western Horseman poll was over 90% opposed to NAIS, the Penn State Poll is currently at 23% in favor, 48% opposed, 15% no opinion and 13% unsure. That is undoubtedly the highest approval rating I’ve seen for NAIS, but it is still a very low percentage of all horse owners.

BTW, in spite of USDA’s How To Handbook suggesting that farmers be spoken to on a sixth grade level, 100% of horse owners have graduated high school and 82% have education beyond that. I guess we can figure out how to read those USDA documents.

by: esbee

Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:40:15 +0000

To our favorite, Tim, a little more info about why we do not want NAIS.

Amendments violated by NAIS

1st—freedom of religion (Amish, other Christians, possibly Santeria who practice animal sacrifice)

4th—prohibits govt surveillance and illegal search and seizure of private property (tracking, tagging, depopulation without due process)

5th-14th — prohibits forced registration (Could this be why the USDA is pushing for sign-ups and stating signing up for NAIS is “voluntary” and “free” all the while pushing for mandatory under the covers!)

13th— involuntary servitude This one freed the slaves but goes on to state people may not be forced to work without pay…livestock owners are being forced without pay to track and file reports on their own animals so the USDA can use that info for disease track back which all the NAIS document allows is depopulation.

by: esbee

Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:25:28 +0000

To Tim—The USDA does not respect my opinions to be against NAIS. The say people like me are spreading “misinformation”. Yet how can it be misinformation to disagree and put forth reasons why I disagree with NAIS.

Western Horseman magazine and Penn Sate had polls on NAIS. Over 90% are against NAIS in both.. Can that many people be misinformed about a program that will benefit corporate ag while the rest of us pay for it?

How can it be misinformation to tell exactly what is in the NAIS document?

Let’s apply NAIS regs to something else, say sports equipment. Let’s pretend that in order to prevent spread of disease in the US that all American citizens who own even one of any kind of sports equipment—even if it hasn’t been used in years will have to do the following. The list is huge.. baseballs, bats, basketball hoops, football helmets, roller skate keys, ping pong paddles and nets, soccer balls, bikes, golf clubs, ski equipment, skateboards, etc etc etc: Anyone who owns even one item that is sports related will be required to:

1. Register their premises with the government.

2. Microchip every piece of sports equipment and pay for the chips, computer, computer programs and readers.

3. Every time any sports equipment is used for whatever purpose, a little league playoff, soccer game or just goes out to the street for a little practice, ALL off-property movements of any sports equipment MUST reported within 24 hours or face huge daily fines.

4. If some sort of communicable disease is suspected in an area, all sports equipment in a 6 mile radius of that radius will be collected and destroyed, even if it has not left the premises in years. NOT WASHED AND DISINFECTED BUT DESTROYED AND BURNED.

And professional sports and athletic teams will use this program to insure foreign countries they are not bringing diseases with them.
But because they travel so much and have so much sports equipment, they get one lot number per team.

So in practice, Little Johnny in Des Moines, Iowa has reported that he played with #XXXXXX soccer ball on a certain date in ABC soccer ball park and that insures to Japan that the professional soccer team from Calif. is free of communicable disease! Yup, sure makes sense to me!

Can you imagine the huge outcry from the people if a progam such as this were to be implemented? It would affect nearly every last US citizen if a program such as this were to be put in place. There would be riots in the streets! Sports equipment companies would lobby Congress to get is stopped ASAP!

But we do not eat sports equipment, you argue. Of course not, but diseases are spread by more than just eating tainted beef. compare how many kids get sick from being next to a coughing kid than what they ate that day.

Terrorists would have more opportunity to infect sports equipment with a bio-plague which many people come in contact with because sports equipment is known to move around and touch many people. Whereas cattle stay in a few pastures not frequented by the public. What terrorist would know when or if those cattle would go to market? The only place for sure those cattle are going to slaughter are feed lots and factory farms. But they do not have to id every animal and we know that sick and abnormal animals are put in the food chain along with the healthy ones. So my reporting to the govt everywhere I ride my horse sure kept THAT part of the food supply disease free!!!