Comments on: Depopulation FOIA Response http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/ Protect our traditional rights to farm Thu, 17 May 2012 04:49:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Joy http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1398674 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:27:24 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1398674 New Public Disclosure Docs posted at:<a href="http://nonaiswa.org" rel="nofollow">NoNAISWA</a> Take a moment to check them out. They may include your state. No commentary, just unadulterated government documents. The engagement for traditional farms continues. New Public Disclosure Docs posted at:NoNAISWA

Take a moment to check them out. They may include your state. No commentary, just unadulterated government documents.

The engagement for traditional farms continues.

]]> by: esbee http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1398192 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:55:47 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1398192 Tim are you aware of the NLIS, Australia's version of NAIS? They hate it AND it is not working-- <a href="http://www.texaslonghorn.net/pr/AussieNAIS.pdf" rel="nofollow">text</a> 1-- failure of chips and readers, resulting in more time taken to process cattle. 2--the high fines the owners have to pay for computer glitches, even when proven it was not their fault 3---loss of ear tags and cost of replacement and fines connected to losses 4-- 11 million phantom cattle in the database 5----NLIS admits they lied that the program is succesful and loved by the ranchers when in reality it is not working and hated. 6--losing their foreign market due to NLIS not working 7---the Aussie ranchers to are warning us NOT to do NAIS. Tim are you aware of the NLIS, Australia’s version of NAIS?
They hate it AND it is not working–

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1– failure of chips and readers, resulting in more time taken to process cattle.

2–the high fines the owners have to pay for computer glitches, even when proven it was not their fault

3—loss of ear tags and cost of replacement and fines connected to losses

4– 11 million phantom cattle in the database

5—-NLIS admits they lied that the program is succesful and loved by the ranchers when in reality it is not working and hated.

6–losing their foreign market due to NLIS not working

7—the Aussie ranchers to are warning us NOT to do NAIS.

]]> by: Tim http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1397716 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:57:02 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1397716 Astually WJ you need to update your research.Verichip has been bought out by Stanley works for 45 mill.All they wanted was The baby braclet moniters And the Roamalert for senior citizens.The Verimed patient ID.has been shelved.Nobody wants chipped. Here we are talking about a rfid eartag in a cow for god's sake.Get over your attitude. P.S.If the chips cause cancer why hasn't all the babys and seniors wearing rfid braclets developed cancer? <i>[Tim, my research is very up-to-date, thanks. You apparently missed all the posts that covered these topics. You really need to go back and read <u>everything</u> on NoNAIS.org. It should keep you out of trouble for a while. As to your last question, apparently you're not understanding how cancer causing agents work. They don't cause cancer in <u>all</u> subjects exposed to the carcinogen. Rather there is an increased risk of cancer. Additionally there is a tremendous difference between a RFID bracelet and an implanted RFID chip. Again, you need to research before you stick your foot so far down your throat. You look very funny in that position. -WJ]</i> Astually WJ you need to update your research.Verichip has been bought out by Stanley works for 45 mill.All they wanted was The baby braclet moniters And the Roamalert for senior citizens.The Verimed patient ID.has been shelved.Nobody wants chipped.
Here we are talking about a rfid eartag in a cow for god’s sake.Get over your attitude.
P.S.If the chips cause cancer why hasn’t all the babys and seniors wearing rfid braclets developed cancer?

[Tim, my research is very up-to-date, thanks. You apparently missed all the posts that covered these topics. You really need to go back and read everything on NoNAIS.org. It should keep you out of trouble for a while. As to your last question, apparently you’re not understanding how cancer causing agents work. They don’t cause cancer in all subjects exposed to the carcinogen. Rather there is an increased risk of cancer. Additionally there is a tremendous difference between a RFID bracelet and an implanted RFID chip. Again, you need to research before you stick your foot so far down your throat. You look very funny in that position. -WJ]

]]> by: Barbara http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1397693 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:24:42 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1397693 Tim, Are you one of those people who think opposing NAIS is about animal rights? Where does our government get off ordering any private citizen to insert a microchip into their personal property? If they want to insert a chip in my horses, they better buy them first. Besides links to cancer, chips are also known to cause other adverse reactions in some animals. I'm not willing to let the gov't use my horses as guinea pigs in their experiment. Tim,
Are you one of those people who think opposing NAIS is about animal rights? Where does our government get off ordering any private citizen to insert a microchip into their personal property? If they want to insert a chip in my horses, they better buy them first. Besides links to cancer, chips are also known to cause other adverse reactions in some animals. I’m not willing to let the gov’t use my horses as guinea pigs in their experiment.

]]> by: Tim http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1397547 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:37:27 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1397547 Sorry James but you show me one case that chips cause cancer other than what the critics want you to think.There's over 10 mill pets chips and thousands of pets returned monthly because they were microchipped.I do not support this for humans but were talking about animals here. <i>[Tim, you really need to start doing your research before opening your mouth. Google is a valuable tool. Learn to use it. There have been articles on both this web site and others regarding research into the cancer causing effects of RFID chips. Since you're so antagonistic I won't bother doing your work for you since I've already done it repeatedly in posts in the past. As to the issue of humans vs animals, you apparently are not aware of the drive to do RFID chip implantation in humans as well. Get a clue. -WJ]</i> Sorry James but you show me one case that chips cause cancer other than what the critics want you to think.There’s over 10 mill pets chips and thousands of pets returned monthly because they were microchipped.I do not support this for humans but were talking about animals here.

[Tim, you really need to start doing your research before opening your mouth. Google is a valuable tool. Learn to use it. There have been articles on both this web site and others regarding research into the cancer causing effects of RFID chips. Since you’re so antagonistic I won’t bother doing your work for you since I’ve already done it repeatedly in posts in the past. As to the issue of humans vs animals, you apparently are not aware of the drive to do RFID chip implantation in humans as well. Get a clue. -WJ]

]]> by: James http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1396032 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:23:45 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1396032 Need to point out that FRID chips cause cancer. Google RFID linked cancer sept 2007. Should bring up the AP stories about how the chips cancer in mice tests and dogs etc. If they are promoting it for health reasons fight it for health reasons. Fight fire with fire. Need to point out that FRID chips cause cancer. Google RFID linked cancer sept 2007. Should bring up the AP stories about how the chips cancer in mice tests and dogs etc. If they are promoting it for health reasons fight it for health reasons. Fight fire with fire.

]]> by: Deb http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1395514 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:18:15 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1395514 It doesn't surprise me that your veterinarian would take this position.. After all veterinarians will stand to gain a lot of business when it becomes mandatory that a veterinarian be responsible for all health care of the "national" herd.. never mind that you have to feed, house and clean up after the animals, they get to decide vaccination schedules, worming schedules, and of course the mandatory chipping of all of your non pet/livestock..Its a money grab and people need to wake up to this fact and stop it before we wind up with them coming to the gate and destroying all we have worked so hard to build up on our own hook. MY horses do not belong to the national herd. The government does not pay for all their feed and medication and do the chores. My animals seldom leave the premises unless I am riding one of them down the roadside and I am damned if I will report to uncle sam every time I want to go for a ride in the park, or when one of my peacocks crosses the street. As for chipping each animal, they can go take a flying f---at a rolling doughnut if they think I will voluntarily allow this to occur here. It doesn’t surprise me that your veterinarian would take this position.. After all veterinarians will stand to gain a lot of business when it becomes mandatory that a veterinarian be responsible for all health care of the “national” herd.. never mind that you have to feed, house and clean up after the animals, they get to decide vaccination schedules, worming schedules, and of course the mandatory chipping of all of your non pet/livestock..Its a money grab and people need to wake up to this fact and stop it before we wind up with them coming to the gate and destroying all we have worked so hard to build up on our own hook. MY horses do not belong to the national herd. The government does not pay for all their feed and medication and do the chores. My animals seldom leave the premises unless I am riding one of them down the roadside and I am damned if I will report to uncle sam every time I want to go for a ride in the park, or when one of my peacocks crosses the street. As for chipping each animal, they can go take a flying f—at a rolling doughnut if they think I will voluntarily allow this to occur here.

]]> by: Lorene http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1395500 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:53:17 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1395500 Interesting that the USDA doesn't have a record of eradications by state especially when they are the ones doing it where scrappie is concerned. One producer we deal with lost a quarter of his flock to eradication for scrappie when a ewe they sold 3 years before developed scrappie symptoms. It took the USDA 5 months to find and inform them of the ewe's disease (USDA had the scrappie tag from the ewe from their farm) and then USDA confiscated a full 25% of their flock (animals "that may have been exposed" to this ewe including lambs even though she had not been in their possesion for 3 years); killing all of the animals, testing them (at the farmer's expense), concluding that none of the animals were scarppie positive and then paying them the then market price of commerical lambs for purebreed animals. They are also required to be in the mandatory scrappie program, with DNA testing for their sheep. It has taken them 3 years and a great deal of money to recover back to the point they were with one of their purebreds, they have been cutting back on thier 2nd breed since the eradication. Yup, the government is here to help you. Interesting that the USDA doesn’t have a record of eradications by state especially when they are the ones doing it where scrappie is concerned. One producer we deal with lost a quarter of his flock to eradication for scrappie when a ewe they sold 3 years before developed scrappie symptoms. It took the USDA 5 months to find and inform them of the ewe’s disease (USDA had the scrappie tag from the ewe from their farm) and then USDA confiscated a full 25% of their flock (animals “that may have been exposed” to this ewe including lambs even though she had not been in their possesion for 3 years); killing all of the animals, testing them (at the farmer’s expense), concluding that none of the animals were scarppie positive and then paying them the then market price of commerical lambs for purebreed animals. They are also required to be in the mandatory scrappie program, with DNA testing for their sheep. It has taken them 3 years and a great deal of money to recover back to the point they were with one of their purebreds, they have been cutting back on thier 2nd breed since the eradication.
Yup, the government is here to help you.

]]> by: Snazy snezy http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1395484 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:34:32 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1395484 Sue, I wrote him a LONG e-mail letter outlining the USDA program of reducing disease testing by 90%, having Mexicans check for disease at the border (TB now in US). Stan Painter's testimony showing USDA ignores noncompliance reports. The fact that not one Quality Engineer is willing to defined ISO and Japan does not endorse it (ISO/OIE's Guide to good farming practices) plus pointers to treaties regs etc. showing the corporate takeover of food. I hope I wake the dude up. Sue,
I wrote him a LONG e-mail letter outlining the USDA program of reducing disease testing by 90%, having Mexicans check for disease at the border (TB now in US). Stan Painter’s testimony showing USDA ignores noncompliance reports. The fact that not one Quality Engineer is willing to defined ISO and Japan does not endorse it (ISO/OIE’s Guide to good farming practices) plus pointers to treaties regs etc. showing the corporate takeover of food.

I hope I wake the dude up.

]]> by: Podchef http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1395482 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:37:08 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/10/31/depopulation-foia-response/#comment-1395482 Dr. Peternel seems to have drunk the coolaide. I wonder if he would consent to being tagged and tracked. I mean, we should know his whereabouts, and breeding schedule. It may be vital to know who he's co-mingled with and where his associates are now. There could be a further outbreak of idiocy and we might need to trace it back to the source and find out what other pultroons are affected. I fear that Texas A&#38;M Vet school may be one of the sources of infection. . . . Dr. Peternel seems to have drunk the coolaide. I wonder if he would consent to being tagged and tracked. I mean, we should know his whereabouts, and breeding schedule. It may be vital to know who he’s co-mingled with and where his associates are now. There could be a further outbreak of idiocy and we might need to trace it back to the source and find out what other pultroons are affected. I fear that Texas A&M Vet school may be one of the sources of infection. . . .

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