Comments on: HACCP Beyond the Plant http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/ Protect our traditional rights to farm Thu, 17 May 2012 04:43:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Lorene http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394977 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:05:25 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394977 The only chicken smugglers I worry about are the ones form Mexico since that is where the newcastle outbreak in California came from. On another note; in the recent Western Horseman mag. the letters commenting on the NAIS article from June were all against NAIS. That is just the kind of publicity needed to bring this horrible program into the light. A lot of horse owners I've talked to thought that NAIS was designed to reunite animals and owners in cases of disasters and to inform animal owners of disease out breaks so they could better protect their own animals. A lot of them were shocked and did not want to believe the USDA were willing to harm and/or kill their beloved horses for the sake of "food safety" The only chicken smugglers I worry about are the ones form Mexico since that is where the newcastle outbreak in California came from. On another note; in the recent Western Horseman mag. the letters commenting on the NAIS article from June were all against NAIS. That is just the kind of publicity needed to bring this horrible program into the light. A lot of horse owners I’ve talked to thought that NAIS was designed to reunite animals and owners in cases of disasters and to inform animal owners of disease out breaks so they could better protect their own animals. A lot of them were shocked and did not want to believe the USDA were willing to harm and/or kill their beloved horses for the sake of “food safety”

]]> by: nick http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394759 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:57:16 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394759 bamidbar,you might call 1-866-536-7593,ask them what radio station in your area might be running this ad on smuggling birds into this country.to stir their interest tell them that you might have a lead. bamidbar,you might call 1-866-536-7593,ask them what radio station in your area might be running this ad on smuggling birds into this country.to stir their interest tell them that you might have a lead.

]]> by: Bamidbar http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394734 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:15:14 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394734 Nick, Where can we listen to this chicken ad? Nick, Where can we listen to this chicken ad?

]]> by: nick http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394698 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:35:07 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394698 in my town the chicken smuggler ad is aired about every two hours.i just wonder how many tax payer dollars are being spent on this ad trying to get our neighbors to morph into rats telling on each other.i bet it will be millions,dont look for illegal aliens being smuggled into the country,just illegal chickens. in my town the chicken smuggler ad is aired about every two hours.i just wonder how many tax payer dollars are being spent on this ad trying to get our neighbors to morph into rats telling on each other.i bet it will be millions,dont look for illegal aliens being smuggled into the country,just illegal chickens.

]]> by: Snazy snezy http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394581 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:36:48 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394581 Here is another argument against NAIS NAIS, ”Guide to Good Farming Practices” and”ISO” are based on a faulty reasoning. I have seen plenty of evidence of this in thirty-five years as a Quality Engineer. ISO 9000 and similar certification schemes do not add quality to a product, nor do they insure that quality is in the product. Instead, they show documentation that indicates the methods by which the product was supposed to have been made and nothing more. To rely upon certification or traceability as an indicator of quality misses the mark entirely. Ultimately, quality is determined by the end user, the consumer, regardless of the standards, the documentation, or the adherence to specifications. The end user can see the truth, <b>"It's no good; I cannot use it,"</b> or even, <b>"Dear God! It just killed me."<b> See this article: <a href="http://www.systemsthinking.co.uk/3-1-article.asp " rel="nofollow">systems thinking</a>for a discussion of the origins of ISO 9000, what is wrong with it, and why. Admiral Hyman Rickover was concerned with bad quality that resulted from bad management. ISO 9000 addresses conformity to standards instead of improvement of management. The Japanese who were trained by Dr. Demming in QUALITY IMPROVEMENT do not endorse ISO. Consider a choice between a product Certified by Underwriters Laboratories or ISO certified? Which has actually been tested by an impartial third party? I have yet to work for a company who did not falsify quality data. Do you really want to bet your life on falsified data? Here is another argument against NAIS

NAIS, ”Guide to Good Farming Practices” and”ISO” are based on a faulty reasoning. I have seen plenty of evidence of this in thirty-five years as a Quality Engineer.

ISO 9000 and similar certification schemes do not add quality to a product, nor do they insure that quality is in the product. Instead, they show documentation that indicates the methods by which the product was supposed to have been made and nothing more.

To rely upon certification or traceability as an indicator of quality misses the mark entirely. Ultimately, quality is determined by the end user, the consumer, regardless of the standards, the documentation, or the adherence to specifications. The end user can see the truth, “It’s no good; I cannot use it,” or even, “Dear God! It just killed me.”

See this article: systems thinkingfor a discussion of the origins of ISO 9000, what is wrong with it, and why. Admiral Hyman Rickover was concerned with bad quality that resulted from bad management. ISO 9000 addresses conformity to standards instead of improvement of management. The Japanese who were trained by Dr. Demming in QUALITY IMPROVEMENT do not endorse ISO.

Consider a choice between a product Certified by Underwriters Laboratories or ISO certified? Which has actually been tested by an impartial third party? I have yet to work for a company who did not falsify quality data. Do you really want to bet your life on falsified data?

]]> by: Andrew http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394547 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:37:54 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394547 What we need are reasonable limits. OSHA only applies to businesses with (I think) more than 10 employees. Likewise NAIS, HACCP, USDA inspected, State inspected, and all sorts of other regs aught to apply only to businesses that do any of the following: 1) are larger than a certain size (10 employees is a good number); 2) sell interstate or internationally; 3) have gross sales of over some figure ($250,000? $1,000,000?) per year; For small businesses that sell locally and don't do that much businesses they should not be forced to follow these regulations. The regulations are too onerrous and ineffective for small scale operations. Of course if you are small and want to follow the regs you should be allowed to do so and then granted the seal of approval. Customers can then decide to buy from Mega-Corp that is regulated, Mini-CorpA that voluntarily follows the regs and has the seal of approval, or Mini-CorpB that probably produces a great product but chooses to sell just in the local neighborhood, state, etc. Free-will is our fundimental right. Forced regulations are the dumbing down of America. Big Brother government wants to make all our decisions because it thinks we are too stupid to make good choices. People should be allowed to choose, to make mistakes. Its called freedom. What we need are reasonable limits. OSHA only applies to businesses with (I think) more than 10 employees. Likewise NAIS, HACCP, USDA inspected, State inspected, and all sorts of other regs aught to apply only to businesses that do any of the following:

1) are larger than a certain size (10 employees is a good number);

2) sell interstate or internationally;

3) have gross sales of over some figure ($250,000? $1,000,000?) per year;

For small businesses that sell locally and don’t do that much businesses they should not be forced to follow these regulations. The regulations are too onerrous and ineffective for small scale operations. Of course if you are small and want to follow the regs you should be allowed to do so and then granted the seal of approval.

Customers can then decide to buy from Mega-Corp that is regulated, Mini-CorpA that voluntarily follows the regs and has the seal of approval, or Mini-CorpB that probably produces a great product but chooses to sell just in the local neighborhood, state, etc. Free-will is our fundimental right.

Forced regulations are the dumbing down of America. Big Brother government wants to make all our decisions because it thinks we are too stupid to make good choices. People should be allowed to choose, to make mistakes. Its called freedom.

]]> by: The Phantom http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394529 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:48:31 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394529 So, speaking of chickens....at Celeste Bishops site, she has posted on August 2nd this article she titled:"Hunt for the Elusive NFLO "Poultry ben Layin"....you can find her website by looking at the right sidebar here, under Featured Blogs...it is: WA NoNAISWA.org Under Homeland Security it is some program using the extension service to use community resources to gain ways to make contact with the "non-commercial poultry owner"....using churches, feedstores, kids again, etc....check it out. At her main page, you scroll down to the second page.She has lots of good information at her website. So, speaking of chickens….at Celeste Bishops site, she has posted on August 2nd this article she titled:”Hunt for the Elusive NFLO “Poultry ben Layin”….you can find her website by looking at the right sidebar here, under Featured Blogs…it is: WA NoNAISWA.org Under Homeland Security it is some program using the extension service to use community resources to gain ways to make contact with the “non-commercial poultry owner”….using churches, feedstores, kids again, etc….check it out. At her main page, you scroll down to the second page.She has lots of good information at her website.

]]> by: esbee http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394524 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:15:28 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394524 yup while those dangerous chicken smugglers have been put out of business, the meth labs in the same area continue to fire up and distribute their much safer product for the kids.... what is the name of those radio stations?...as little as i have to spare i want to give them a piece of my mind !!! yup while those dangerous chicken smugglers have been put out of business, the meth labs in the same area continue to fire up and distribute their much safer product for the kids….
what is the name of those radio stations?…as little as i have to spare i want to give them a piece of my mind !!!

]]> by: LEE http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394523 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:10:53 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394523 Donna, Bob is right!People should drive down there and buy some if they are not allowed to cross the " Dakota police state line" and keep supporting these people,if at all possible. If you know how to get the info,please do, I will make sure it gets passed on to the network I work with and to several elected persons who are looking into NAIS as well so they can see this stupidity. I have no problem telling them they are goofy and then proving it!thanks! "Live free or die tryin" Donna, Bob is right!People should drive down there and buy some if they are not allowed to cross the ” Dakota police state line” and keep supporting these people,if at all possible. If you know how to get the info,please do, I will make sure it gets passed on to the network I work with and to several elected persons who are looking into NAIS as well so they can see this stupidity. I have no problem telling them they are goofy and then proving it!thanks!

“Live free or die tryin”

]]> by: Bob Constantine http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394505 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:20:02 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2008/08/02/haccp-beyond-the-plant/#comment-1394505 Chicken smugglers??? Run for your life!! Donna, call those radio stations and ask, rather DEMAND, equal air time. They are not performing a public service, they are normalizing tattle tale behavior and need to be told that. It WILL only get worse if people bow down. What those radio stations are doing is trading sanity for funding. If you remember which stations, post the info. here...maybe some of US will call them. Find the chicken man, get hundreds of people to buy from them, film it and post it on the internet...Have a big sign that says WE SUPPORT CHICKEN SMUGGLERS. Hold the chicken smuggling festival literally right on the border between the two states, ask the offending radio stations if they want to cover the event. Go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200...chicken smuggling a very serious crime indeed! Chicken smugglers??? Run for your life!!
Donna, call those radio stations and ask, rather DEMAND, equal air time. They are not performing a public service, they are normalizing tattle tale behavior and need to be told that. It WILL only get worse if people bow down.
What those radio stations are doing is trading sanity for funding. If you remember which stations, post the info. here…maybe some of US will call them.

Find the chicken man, get hundreds of people to buy from them, film it and post it on the internet…Have a big sign that says WE SUPPORT CHICKEN SMUGGLERS. Hold the chicken smuggling festival literally right on the border between the two states, ask the offending radio stations if they want to cover the event.
Go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200…chicken smuggling a very serious crime indeed!

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