August 1, 2008

Bulletin Board 200808

Bulletins — walterj 12:01 am

Use the comments of this post during this month if you have things you would like to bring to people’s attention and are not sure where else to post them. I’ll make a new Bulletin Board each month for free posting.

Have at it, communicate and keep up the good fight!

Cheers,

-WalterJ

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32 Comments

  1. Has there been any news about the Naturally Grown label? Last I heard the USDA took comments about regulating naturally grown, but I haven’t heard anything further.

    Thanks

    Comment afella — August 1, 2008 @ 11:23 am

  2. MSN discussion boards

    I started a discussion at MSN message boards about NAIS, please add to it. Thanks.

    Comment esbee — August 3, 2008 @ 5:49 am

  3. In an ironic turn of events— Cargill gets blamed for meat not prepared correctly by restaurant and THEY want NAIS….Now they know how we feel and you can call Cargill and tell them so. I did. They have a toll free customer service number at the Excel website.

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    Excel ordered to pay Sizzler in E. coli death case

    A Milwaukee County jury decided that Excel Corp. should pay Sizzler USA more than $7 million to compensate for lost revenue resulting from the death of a young girl who ate food contaminated with E. coli O157:H7 from meat supplied by Excel.

    The decision is another big hit to Excel, now known as
    Cargill Meat Solutions, which last month was ordered to pay $8.5 million to the family of Brianna Kriefall. The 3-year-old Milwaukee girl died eight
    years ago after eating watermelon at a local Sizzler that her lawyers argued
    was contaminated with E. coli when meat came in contact with the fruit.

    Excel had argued that the restaurant did not properly
    train and supervise its employees in the practices of safe meat handling.

    “We are disappointed in the results and are considering our options,” Cargill spokesman Mark Klein said in a statement.

    Comment esbee — August 3, 2008 @ 6:20 am

  4. a place that tells upadated info on COOL

    Comment esbee — August 3, 2008 @ 7:38 am

  5. I was reading a USDA bulletin on chickens when I happened to notice this at the end of the article;

    The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) prohibits discrimination
    in all its programs and activities on the basis of race, color,
    national origin, age, disability, and where applicable, sex, marital
    status, familial status, parental status, religion, sexual orientation,
    genetic information, political beliefs, reprisal, or because all or part
    of an individual’s income is derived from any public assistance
    program. (Not all prohibited bases apply to all programs.) Persons
    with disabilities who require alternative means for communication
    of program information (Braille, large print, audiotape, etc.)
    should contact USDA’s TARGET Center at (202) 720–2600 (voice
    and TDD). To fi le a complaint of discrimination, write to USDA,
    Director, Office of Civil Rights, 1400 Independence Avenue, S.W. ,
    Washington , D.C. 20250–9410 , or call (800) 795–3272 (voice) or
    (202) 720–6382 (TDD). USDA is an equal opportunity provider and
    employer.
    United (end quote)

    Now do I misread this thing or are they allowed to disregard any and all the listed items if they feel that they do not apply to my specific case? I mean everyone knows I am politically incorrect to say the least as are many of you all,and “Genetic info”??????.
    I ask this half seriously and half knowing that this is gummit we be dealing with,

    I personally never recall seeing this statement in this way before, I guess it struck me as wierd,just an observation thanks!
    “Live free or die tryin”

    Comment LEE — August 4, 2008 @ 6:45 pm

  6. another place to leave comments about NAIS
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    this is what is there (I added my 2 cents and it is subject to approval
    but if a whole lot of us wrote, perhaps they could not censor us all or if they do we could at least complain or have more proof about how one sided this issue is in the media.)

    FAQ #4228
    Have a question? Try asking one of our Experts
    The National Animal Identification System (NAIS) is being implemented across the United States and will be a mandatory program by January 2009. As a part of the NAIS, dairy and beef producers are being asked to register their premises. What is the process for doing this?
    Related resource areas: Dairy
    So that sick animals which potentially may have been exposed to foreign animal diseases can have movements traced within 48 hours, the United States will establish a system that allows identification of individuals or groups of animals including premises where located and date of entry to premises. To comply, in part, with the National Animal Identification System (NAIS), dairy and beef producers must register their premises. To do so, producers need to contact their state department of agriculture and complete a Premises Registration form. Information needed on the Premises Registration form includes: (1) farm or ranch name, (2) owner name, (3) contact name, (4) physical address, (5) city, (6) ZIP code, (7) phone number, (8) primary species, (9) secondary species, (10), other species, (11) operation type, (12) GPS coordinates, and (13) allotment. A useful Web site for this information is the USDA-APHIS Animal ID site (http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/index.shtml) which includes links to individual state premises ID contacts.

    Comment esbee — August 5, 2008 @ 4:20 pm

  7. I happem to come across this article in the “Republican American” of Litchfield CT, I was reading the paper edition, by the way.

    Link to the article

    The article is a about a new ordinance in the town of New Milford CT that exempts farmers (current and future) from nuisance complaints from their neighbors. The idea is that city folk moving out to the country often harrass farmers for common and ordinary farm practices. New Milford says they want to stay ahead of this issue and prevent nuisance complaints from driving out farmers.

    Let’s hope the rest of the country can take a cue from suburbinifying southwest CT and see the value in farms.

    [Excellent. We need more common sense like this. People value the rural landscapes that farms produce. When they move into those areas they need to also accept that it isn’t Disney World and not try to reshape it into suburbia. You can go leave comments at the article above - registration is easy. -WJ]

    Comment afella — August 6, 2008 @ 12:33 pm

  8. DO we go mandatory January 2009?

    From Comment 6
    FAQ #4228
    Have a question? Try asking one of our Experts
    The National Animal Identification System (NAIS) is being implemented across the United States and will be a mandatory program by January 2009. As a part of the NAIS, dairy and beef producers are being asked to register their premises. What is the process for doing this?

    Comment Snazy snezy — August 7, 2008 @ 12:00 pm

  9. Here is something we can all do. Go to r-calfusa.com and hit on Animal ID, and you will see their 5 page letter, (including 10 other organizations), to: Honorable Lieberman, Collins, Waxman and Davis dated July 23,2008 requesting them to conduct an oversight hearing on Nais, etc..This letter has the 4 congress people, mentioned above…their addresses and titles. Two are with Homeland Security; two with the House of Rep. Com. on Oversight…etc. We could e-mail or fax all four of them a personal letter, with copies to our own congress people, demanding this hearing and giving our opinions of Nais.They are OUR representatives and work for us.(Mailed letters take too long)Charge!!!!

    Comment The Phantom — August 7, 2008 @ 3:57 pm

  10. Here is the latest story about Japan not accepting Cargill beef, Cargill being a big major player in NAIS, and my reply to this story. There is a place to leave comments. In fact, meatingplace.com has many beef/meat industry related articles about NAIS and animal id, which are fodder for anti-NAIS comments.

    Cargill beef plant banned by Japan

    Japan has banned imports of beef from Cargill Meat Solutions’ Dodge City, Kan., plant following the discovery of banned ground beef in a recent shipment, USDA Press Secretary Keith Williams told Meatingplace.com.

    Japanese importers found a 10-pound tube containing ground beef, which is prohibited under Japanese protocols, among a shipment of some 298 boxes totaling nearly 4 tons of U.S. beef, he confirmed.

    USDA is investigating the incident, he said.

    Cargill could not be reached for comment.

    My reply…..One of the reasons we are told we need NAIS is to improve corporate ag’s place in the world market. How would NAIS have prevented this incident of Japan banning Cargill beef? AND…How would my filing reports on when/where I ride my horse (3rd component of NAIS) have bettered Cargill’s chances in the world market? Apparently the Japanese made up their own mind not to buy Cargill beef because of the discovery of banned ground beef in a recent shipment, not because I or any other person owning horses, cattle or sheep or whatever livestock, files reports on births, deaths and off property movements of those privately owned animals.
    See how useless NAIS would be for us.
    Those Japanese are not dumb. Ground beef can be made up of meat from more than one cow. Under NAIS rules, Cargill does not have to indiviually chip and track cattle because they raise/slaughter them in groups, qualifying them for ONE lot number. Any one of those animals in that group could be sick or defective and who would know…but the Japanese know that many cows could go into the making of ground beef, thereby making it difficult to know the actual health conditions or age of the cattle in the ground beef. So my telling where I ride my horse is totally useless also and we, the people, know that. I wish the USDA would figure that out.

    Comment esbee — August 8, 2008 @ 1:55 pm

  11. I can not believe the idiots posting to Meating Place do not understand why Japan rejected the shipment and banned Cargill.

    “If you can not even put the correct stuff in the box and ship it to me on time, how bad is your quality control on the really important stuff, like NOT getting e-coli from fecces in the meat not to mention BSE from brains and spinal column!”

    Comment Snazy snezy — August 8, 2008 @ 4:43 pm

  12. Now they have chips that can be tracked by satellites!

    This is a watch dog group on spy chips
    spychips.com

    One of the stories cited is

    “…Not as common, but increasing in use, are “active” tags, which have internal batteries and can transmit signals, continuously, as far as low-orbiting satellites…”
    Seattle Times

    just what I always wanted. Satellite tracking of my P&G lipstick

    “..A 2005 patent application by American Express itself describes how RFID-embedded objects carried by shoppers could emit “identification signals” when queried by electronic “consumer trackers.” The system could identify people, record their movements, and send them video ads..

    In 2002, Fleishman-Hillard produced another report for the industry that counseled RFID makers to “convey (the) inevitability of technology,” and to develop a plan to “neutralize the opposition,” by adopting friendlier names for radio tags such as “Bar Code II” and “Green Tag.”…”

    Comment Snazy snezy — August 8, 2008 @ 6:07 pm

  13. For those who do not know, the Great American Walk For Freedom begins Aug. 11th and goes to Aug. 31st, beginning in Green Bay, WI and ends at Minneapolis, Minnesota at the “Rally for the Republic”.It is to bring awareness to our Constitution (will be giving out copies along the way and holding town meetings).Would be great for some Nonaisers along the way to join in. There website gives the route and more info..so look at walk4freedom.com/index.html

    Comment The Phantom — August 10, 2008 @ 12:49 pm

  14. I talked with someone at Greenpeace. They have had dealings with Monsanto over some biotech wheat and won, Monstersanto withdrew on that issue.

    Greenpeace said they do want to know more about NAIS. Please email them so they know what NAIS is. The also have an 800 number. (800) 326-0959

    info@wdc.greenpeace.org

    Comment esbee — August 11, 2008 @ 9:50 am

  15. Protest of the North American Union (NAU-SPP) in Couer D’ Alene, Idaho

    The Couer D’ Alene Golf and Spa Resort August 13-16, 2008

    Tomorrow, the 13th, begins the next official meeting of the supposedly ‘dead’ North American Union. For a concept that is dead it is amazing that delegates from the United States, Mexico, and Canada will be attending this exciting installment of NAU/SPP meetings. The NAU meetings will be held in Couer D’ Alene, Idaho. Plan to attend to protest the NAU. The feature of this conference will be agriculture. We can expect some action plans that will affect our food supply.

    Protesting 101

    If you are new to protesting this is what you will need:

    * Sign(s) (as clear and as large as possible);

    Tip: If you plan to use signs at a legislative body in the future you may want to consider a waterproof fabric or plastic sign with no wood or projectiles that could be construed as a weapon)

    * Comfortable shoes and dress for the weather;

    * Know your topic-NAU (in case the media would like to speak with you);

    * Bring a friend (or a few)

    * Expect opposition (they can be unfriendly, as with Seattle’s anarchist’s)

    * Law Enforcement has been very gracious to both sides of the issue as long as you respect local permits and city/private boundaries.

    * Bull horn to get your point across

    * Camera

    * Tape recorder/video cam

    * No NAU T- shirt

    * Bring water and food (portable-backpack)

    10 Minute Citizen: Can’t attend the the protest in person?

    1. Send a message to your state and DC Representatives and Senators . Sample letters are in the template section on the left sidebar of text

    2. Get a written position statement from candidates and incumbents on the NAU and distribute it widely through various means. (They are paying attention :-)

    3. The NAU also has various working groups whom you could write a letter of opposition.

    4. Boycott companies working in partnership with the NAU.

    5. Write a letter to the Editor of your local paper educating people on the NAU.

    Tip: If you need help with any of the above leave a comment at text and someone will help address your question or attempt to find someone who can assist you.

    On behalf of the National Association of State Departments of Agriculture (NASDA), we invite you to attend the 2008 Tri-National Agricultural Accord in the State of Idaho August 13-16, 2008. The Idaho State Department of Agriculture looks forward to hosting you to true western hospitality in the beautiful mountain lake setting of Coeur d’Alene, Idaho.

    This is the 18th Annual Meeting of the Tri-National Agricultural Accord. The Accord continues to provide opportunities to resolve trade issues among the three NAFTA countries and to build relationships among the various States in Mexico and the United States and the provinces of Canada.

    The meeting will take place at the Coeur d’Alene Resort, 115 S. 2nd St, Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, 83814. Accord participants traveling by air would fly to Spokane, Washington. Couer d’Alene is about a 40 minute drive from the Spokane Airport.

    Consider protesting this by invitation only event and protest presumed regulation and guidelines:

    This is an invitation-only event for the U.S., Mexican, and Canadian Secretaries, Ministers, Commissioners and Directors of State/Provincial Departments of Agriculture.

    Updates: NAU WATCH: text

    Comment Bamidbar — August 12, 2008 @ 4:56 pm

  16. Wanna good laugh? Wanna play a fun game that is absolutely pointless and proves no point? Then you need to go to WLIC’s new Livestock Vantage. Click here. It’s for the Common Good, you know. Makes me want to puke.

    Comment Henwhisperer — August 12, 2008 @ 7:19 pm

  17. Just got off the phone with a very nice secretary at the WLIC’s new Livestock Vantage website above…she says Filament designed the game but she is getting lots of calls as no one can get the game to work and it makes no sense…hey just like USDA NAIS, it won’t work and makes no sense!!!!

    Comment esbee — August 13, 2008 @ 10:17 am

  18. Take a look at the newest Hobby Farm magazine, Sept/Oct. issue. It has a short article on Kentucky and the bill that passed there restricting NAIS implimentation, unless the Feds mandate it as mandatory program. Another small step for farmkind…

    Comment Lorene — August 13, 2008 @ 12:29 pm

  19. Sharon, Really GREAT article on food reality that is a great article to show family and friends why they need to start screaming as consumers. They are the risk management tool! When they get sick then traceback begins IF ENOUGH GET SICK, individuals don’t count,they are expendable. Now this means if food poisoning is mistaken for flu or some other illness then opps missed that recall and traceback. Poor consumer died of flu related complications…
    For every case verified there are so many more that go unverified so business as usual until enough get sick to start a process that might last years and longer with NAIS since big boys get one tag and who knows how many switchouts were done in the massive factory farms…..
    I often wonder if flu is pushed so hard to cover up food problems? This article has comment place and there are some excellent other articles also. EDUCATE THE CONSUMER Should be our theme how the USDA, FDA broke the system and why they did it.

    Comment Sue Karber — August 13, 2008 @ 12:31 pm

  20. Updates at text

    In a startling revelation on the Plum Island website the United States, on June 1, 2008, commenced a ‘research project’ under the guise of Foreign Animal Disease Vaccinations and Diagnostics. The research will study African Swine Fever (ASFV) and to conduct ‘biological counter measures’.

    The study will identify and recruit a qualified scientist from the Republic of Georgia to be trained at Plum Island for the purpose of acquiring knowledge and development of molecular biological skill sets. Furthermore, development of such skilled sets according the PIDAC website is, “will be applied to ASF research and development through ongoing Classical Swine Fever” vaccination discovery”. ASFV is a look-a-like virus to CSFV (genetically modified creation) which was previously studied at the biological warfare laboratory PIDAC. The research will initiate planning activities, basic research, and ‘vaccination’.

    The qualified Republic of Georgia scientist will be qualified in carrying out and training exercises with minimal supervision. The chose scientist will develop skill sets that will transfer ASF knowledge to other Republic of Georgia scientists. The program is a collaborative effort between the United States and the Republic of Georgia. The research will be supported by the USDA-DOE through an inter-agency agreement administered through Oakridge Institute of Science and Education (ORISE).

    The Republic of Georgia scientist will be educated in foreign animal disease (FAD), vaccination discovery, inclusive of cell culture, virus titration, virus cloning, viral analysis, sequencing, tissue collection and necropsy. The scientist will also have access to viral samples and genomic sequencing.

    The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) with collaboration from ARS, Plum Island, and the republic of Georgia will prepare and submit their research and vaccination proposal targeting the Eurasian response. The Project Number: 1940-32000-050-04.

    The research will be headed by Manuel Borca with a targeted completion date of September 30, 2010.

    Comment Bamidbar — August 13, 2008 @ 12:42 pm

  21. This is a book we all may benefit from reading:”The Tyranny of Good Intentions:How Prosecutors and Law Enforcement are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice” by Paul Craig Roberts and Lawrence M. Stratton, at Amazon for $10.17, paperback; 264 pages. There is a review;”The American Police State” by Wm. Anderson at LewRockwell’s : lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson222.html A Quote from him:”The most important thing that Roberts and Stratton do is to educate the reader about the source of U.S. law, how it began, and why it has become so corrupted.” “Throughout this book, (they) document how the authorities themselves have become the lawless, and the examples are endless”. I recommend you read his review of the book….

    Comment The Phantom — August 13, 2008 @ 5:56 pm

  22. This is of interest to USA folks in all states, not just Ohio.

    This is from a columnist who covers ag issues for the Mount Vernon (Ohio) News. It is the final two paragraphs of a long article, “Join the Ohio NAIS rebellion,” 08/16/08. The author is Arthur Bolduc. This column is not included in the newspaper’s website. If you’d like to contact the paper and ask them to put Mr. Bolduc’s articles online, please check out the contact forms at http://www.mountvernonnews.com

    ——

    “On Tuesday, Aug. 19, Ohio livestock owners will have an unprecendented opportunity to address Collin Peterson as he comes to Ohio looking for more money and support to promote NAIS. He has already squandered 120 million of our tax dollars and has petitioned U. S. Rep. Rosa DeLauro, chairwoman of the Appropriations Committee, for $24 million more. Let’s put a stop to this waste of our hard-earned money, demand an accounting of money spent and Peterson’s resignation.

    “Collin Peterson and his Corporatocracy can be confronted Aug. 19 at Ohio University, Zanesville Campus, Newark Road at 7:30 a.m., and again at the Olde Dutch Restaurant, 12789 S.R. 664 in Logan at 10:30 a.m. The last stop on his hit-and-run tour is the Ross County Service Center on Western Avenue in Chillicothe at 1:30 p.m.

    “Get up early Aug. 19 and come join the NAIS REbellion Ohio.”

    Comment esbee — August 17, 2008 @ 6:28 am

  23. NAU & Ag summary is up at: NoNAISWA

    Comment Bamidbar — August 18, 2008 @ 10:50 am

  24. Something that is a good idea to go see, if you have it available in a theater near you, is iousathemovie.com/ (put the www in front)..It will only be shown one day, Aug. 21st 7 p.m. central…it is about the 9 1/2 trillion dollar debt the U.S. has…has David Walker, our former U.S. Comptroller General involved in it…when you pull up this website, it has a “trailer” you can view, to see what it is about. They want comments after people see the movie. You can find theater listings at the website.It was mentioned on Glen Becks show, and someone commented that it was “scarey”…

    Comment The Phantom — August 19, 2008 @ 11:50 am

  25. western livestock journal august 18 page 10.peterson says the COOL record keeping requirements placed on producers are few and easy to follow. next paragraph says the USDA intends to have the ability to audit individual producers to ensure their compliance and to trace meat from the grocery store all the way to the source. same page differant article,NAIS is voluntary but gives producer “safe harbor” for COOL complince. so guess what,it will be nais or a cool audit.

    Comment nick — August 20, 2008 @ 10:12 pm

  26. I posted this on the 24th: I can see it, but it does not show my comment at the comments section. It is important; so once again.Real ID and Nais have much in common. There is an excellent article by Rep. Sam Rohrer of Pennsylvania, titled: “Real ID:Connecting the dots to an International ID”. Go to newswithviews.com/guest_opinion/guest128.htm (put www in front)…he states; “a terribly invasive tracking system, largely without public knowledge or approval”…(sounds familiar, huh?)

    Comment The Phantom — August 27, 2008 @ 6:09 pm

  27. What do you do when you are a presidential candidate, and the corporately owned news media does a “black out” on you every way that they can? Answer:You hold your own “convention” across the river from St. Paul, Minn. at the Target Center in Minneapolia, Minn. Aug. 31 - Sept. 2nd. Look at what will greet all the people attending the Republican convention in a few days at: campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=402 (and then change 402 to 391…to see more info) At the Mall of the America, the video “High Tide” is running every 8 minutes 24/7 on 100 t.v.monitors at this Mall… Big bill boards and signs are at strategic places in St.Paul. To see the list of speakers for the Sept. 2nd final day of the “Rally for the Republic”..go to campaignforliberty and hit on the “Rally for Liberty” at the top of the page… There are 3 principles of freedom (liberty): individualism, the right to own private property, and free enterprise…to buy and sell without interference. Nais violates two of the three, for sure.

    Comment The Phantom — August 28, 2008 @ 9:11 am

  28. Two corrections on comment I just made. Go to campaignforliberty and hit on “rally for the republic” at the top; takes you to all info and has the High Tide video there so you can see it. I had suggested a speaker on Nais; maybe one of the speakers will incorporate it into their speech… there is a “place” for someone, unannounced…on the list of speakers for the final day…everyone is hoping it is the U.S. swimmer who won 8 gold medals…his trainer is a Ron Paul fan…. I misspelled Minneapolis….

    Comment The Phantom — August 28, 2008 @ 9:47 am

  29. I just got my August Western Horseman mag and in the letters section the only ones posted were all against NAIS, commenting on the NAIS article from the June issue. Hopefully this is the start of a wake-up call to the thousands of horse owners who are unaware of how NAIS will affect them. We need to keep hitting the web-sites with blogs and the magazines with the information about NAIS (including the dis-information from the USDA).
    Another small step. . .

    Comment Lorene — August 29, 2008 @ 5:38 pm

  30. Oh and our voting machines are rigged too

    Diebold, maker of voting machines comes clean.

    “…According to spokesman Chris Riggall, a “critical programming error that can cause votes to be dropped while being electronically transferred from memory cards to a central tallying point” has been part of the software for ten years. The flaw is on both optical scan and touchscreen machines, and while Mr. Riggall asserts that the logic error probably didn’t ruin any elections… the outfit’s president has confessed to being “distressed” about the ordeal.”
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    Please note Diebold’s primary business before making voting machines was making ATMS. Interesting they had no problems with errors on that more complicated task.

    There is also speculation that the US government has back doors into windows operating systems.
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    But then Jeff Dean would be sure that there was no cause for anyone to take a close look at ATMs
    “Jeff Dean, Senior Vice-President and Senior Programmer at Global Election Systems (GES), the company purchased by Diebold in 2002 which became Diebold Election Systems, ,b.was convicted of 23 counts of felony theft for planting back doors in software he created for ATMs,/b. using, according to court documents, a “high degree of sophistication” to evade detection over a period of two years[7]. In addition to Dean, GES employed a number of other convicted felons in senior positions, including a fraudulent securities trader and a drug trafficker.”

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    Comment Snazy snezy — August 31, 2008 @ 8:27 am

  31. #30 aint it interesting that the spokesmans name is “Riggall”? when they admit all the machines a rigged was it done by Mr.Rigg-all? LOL

    Comment LEE — September 7, 2008 @ 1:50 pm

  32. Time to pickp those phones and make call.

    Comment Great is the Governor — March 12, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

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