Comments on: WI NAIS Changes http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/ Protect our traditional rights to farm Thu, 17 May 2012 04:18:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Confused http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-771879 Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:38:21 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-771879 The following is a e-mail from Dr. Paul McGraw in response to question regarding the duplication of state activity in regard to the USDA Scrapie program and the changes proposed in the recent hearings. Two years ago, in order for WI to be a scrapie consistent state with USDA, we were required to change the sheep and goat identification requirements for movement of sheep or goats in WI. These changes were made with the support of the industry in the last rule that went into effect well over a year ago. By being a consistent state it makes it easier for sheep and goats to move to other states. The only change in the current proposed rule in chapter 12 is a two word change in the sheep section, stating that the id would be recorded "if any". We also added the goat section to read the same as sheep. This was missed in the previous draft. I want to point out that the recording of the ID by a trucker, dealer, or market was already required and has been required for all livestock (with a few exceptions) in the event of a disease that needs to be traced. This has been a long standing requirement and is not new or in any way related to NAIS or premise registration. ______ The following is a e-mail from Dr. Paul McGraw in response to question regarding the duplication of state activity in regard to the USDA Scrapie program and the changes proposed in the recent hearings.
Two years ago, in order for WI to be a scrapie consistent state with USDA, we were required to change the sheep and goat identification requirements for movement of sheep or goats in WI. These changes were made with the support of the industry in the last rule that went into effect well over a year ago. By being a consistent state it makes it easier for sheep and goats to move to other states. The only change in the current proposed rule in chapter 12 is a two word change in the sheep section, stating that the id would be recorded “if any”. We also added the goat section to read the same as sheep. This was missed in the previous draft. I want to point out that the recording of the ID by a trucker, dealer, or market was already required and has been required for all livestock (with a few exceptions) in the event of a disease that needs to be traced. This has been a long standing requirement and is not new or in any way related to NAIS or premise registration. ______

]]> by: Bob Constantine http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-762492 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:21:20 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-762492 Henwhisperer congrats on your book...How much for a signed copy? So if it goes all the way to the $5,000 fine and you don't pay up, what then? Waterboarding? Henwhisperer congrats on your book…How much for a signed copy?

So if it goes all the way to the $5,000 fine and you don’t pay up, what then? Waterboarding?

]]> by: Henwhisperer http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-762187 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:49:51 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-762187 I don't think you know this but I wrote a novel, a fictionalized account of the activists fight against NAIS. It was for November National Novel Writing Month. I've been working for the last several days to finish it up and get it to an editor. Yesterday I needed some background info about the enforcement measures so I called WLIC. They sent me to the ag dept. I ended up talking to the Public Information Officer for a bit. When she took that <i>tone</i> with me I had to say that we'd have to agree to disagree since she was never going to convince me that premises registration is the right thing to do. Anyway, my point to telling you this is that when I asked her about those rules they are trying to put into place, I asked her how they were getting the Amish to go along with it, Mark of the Beast and all that. She said she couldn't pretend to know what that meant. She told me that the elders were the ones who asked that they be registered by DATCP. Their logic, according to the PIO lady, was that if they, the Amish, didn't actually sign up themselves then it was the same as not signing up. Do I believe it? Nah. I asked her about the enforcement procedures. You'll like this! First, they send a letter asking you to sign up. Next, they make a visit to educate you. Third, they send someone to help you sign up. They can take you to court to make you sign up. They can fine you up to $5,000 for failing to comply. I asked her what would happen if after all that someone still didn't want to sign up. She seemed confused by that and didn't have an answer. Love it when I ask questions they can't answer. I don’t think you know this but I wrote a novel, a fictionalized account of the activists fight against NAIS. It was for November National Novel Writing Month. I’ve been working for the last several days to finish it up and get it to an editor. Yesterday I needed some background info about the enforcement measures so I called WLIC. They sent me to the ag dept. I ended up talking to the Public Information Officer for a bit. When she took that tone with me I had to say that we’d have to agree to disagree since she was never going to convince me that premises registration is the right thing to do.

Anyway, my point to telling you this is that when I asked her about those rules they are trying to put into place, I asked her how they were getting the Amish to go along with it, Mark of the Beast and all that. She said she couldn’t pretend to know what that meant. She told me that the elders were the ones who asked that they be registered by DATCP. Their logic, according to the PIO lady, was that if they, the Amish, didn’t actually sign up themselves then it was the same as not signing up.

Do I believe it? Nah.

I asked her about the enforcement procedures. You’ll like this! First, they send a letter asking you to sign up. Next, they make a visit to educate you. Third, they send someone to help you sign up. They can take you to court to make you sign up. They can fine you up to $5,000 for failing to comply. I asked her what would happen if after all that someone still didn’t want to sign up. She seemed confused by that and didn’t have an answer. Love it when I ask questions they can’t answer.

]]> by: Gerard http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-760196 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:09:35 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-760196 I attended a hearing concerning proposed changes in Wisconsin law concerning NAIS and premise registration. The DATCP now wants the authority to register any unregistered livestock premise, period. And to penalize the premise owner for having not registered. I agree with LEE in comment #16 I attended a hearing concerning proposed changes in Wisconsin law concerning NAIS and premise registration. The DATCP now wants the authority to register any unregistered livestock premise, period. And to penalize the premise owner for having not registered. I agree with LEE in comment #16

]]> by: nick http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-753075 Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:56:29 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-753075 the fine is less not to fill it out than to lie about it.saw this on a farm show the other day.typical goverment stupidity. the fine is less not to fill it out than to lie about it.saw this on a farm show the other day.typical goverment stupidity.

]]> by: LEE http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-753011 Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:09:54 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-753011 I did some research on the topic"Maritime Law" the only thing that I can find is a vein of laws related to shipping and transport on the seas, I may be slow but I can't seem to make the connection from USDA to the sea other than to suggest we drown them all like rats:) It's time to treat all these facist demands for info just like the census and deep six them. Mass refusal to co-operate with the corporate/govt machine is a nessesary step,call it peaceful resistance. These overlord wannabees are outside their cages and deserve nothing from us,except contempt,lets give them plenty. "Live free or die tryin" I did some research on the topic”Maritime Law” the only thing that I can find is a vein of laws related to shipping and transport on the seas,
I may be slow but I can’t seem to make the connection from USDA to the sea other than to suggest we drown them all like rats:)

It’s time to treat all these facist demands for info just like the census and deep six them.

Mass refusal to co-operate with the corporate/govt machine is a nessesary step,call it peaceful resistance.

These overlord wannabees are outside their cages and deserve nothing from us,except contempt,lets give them plenty.

“Live free or die tryin”

]]> by: Kevin http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-752949 Sat, 05 Jan 2008 02:53:44 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-752949 #7 Notice how close NAIS looks like NAZI! #7 Notice how close NAIS looks like NAZI!

]]> by: donna http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-752236 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:01:43 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-752236 I should have said in response to 12: I should have said in response to 12:

]]> by: donna http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-752234 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:00:43 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-752234 In response to 13: We just received a USDA Census, too. This is the second such packet we have received in the 10 years we have been on this farm. We DID NOT (don't know if that is Maritime Law) return the first one five years ago and WILL NOT return the second. We DO NOT receive any farm subsidies. Consequently, it has nothing to do with us. All information collected by USDA, SOIL CONSERVATION, WATER SHED MANAGEMENT, ETC. is a marketplace commodity INVENTORY directly responsive to the global economic system controlled by the BIG BOYS who play with money all day and couldn't figure out how to remove the fuzz from a peach if they were starving to death. In response to 13: We just received a USDA Census, too. This is the second such packet we have received in the 10 years we have been on this farm.

We DID NOT (don’t know if that is Maritime Law) return the first one five years ago and WILL NOT return the second.

We DO NOT receive any farm subsidies. Consequently, it has nothing to do with us.

All information collected by USDA, SOIL CONSERVATION, WATER SHED MANAGEMENT, ETC. is a marketplace commodity INVENTORY directly responsive to the global economic system controlled by the BIG BOYS who play with money all day and couldn’t figure out how to remove the fuzz from a peach if they were starving to death.

]]> by: Cindy Ginart http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-750327 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:09:04 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/12/30/wi-nais-changes/#comment-750327 I have just recieved a form from the USDA, all in caps (Maritime Law) demanding to know every single thing that is grown here. Not just animals. Plants, fruit trees, nuts, EVERYTHING. It also demands to know how much land we have, what or who has any connection to it. How are you all handling this? This seems to me connected to the Federal Reserve (Maritime Law). I have just recieved a form from the USDA, all in caps (Maritime Law) demanding to know every single thing that is grown here. Not just animals. Plants, fruit trees, nuts, EVERYTHING. It also demands to know how much land we have, what or who has any connection to it. How are you all handling this? This seems to me connected to the Federal Reserve (Maritime Law).

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