Comments on: Cure Worse than Disease http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/ Protect our traditional rights to farm Thu, 17 May 2012 04:12:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Mark http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-647831 Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:27:24 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-647831 I just got an email from Senator Tom Harkin which asks me to support The Food and Energy Security Act. Naturally, it will fix everything, but it did not even have a link to the bill. So, I wonder. What are the details? Any ideas? I just got an email from Senator Tom Harkin which asks me to support The Food and Energy Security Act. Naturally, it will fix everything, but it did not even have a link to the bill. So, I wonder. What are the details? Any ideas?

]]> by: Henwhisperer http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-632735 Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:30:26 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-632735 You all might want to catch up with FMD in another EU country, Cyprus. <a href="http://www.warmwell.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">No one will enter my farm to kill my animals.</a> It is through their struggle that we will learn what will happen to us. You all might want to catch up with FMD in another EU country, Cyprus.

No one will enter my farm to kill my animals.

It is through their struggle that we will learn what will happen to us.

]]> by: Henwhisperer http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-624244 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:36:19 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-624244 Donna, I watched the Senate on CSPAN2 yesterday from 3 to 6 pm. A few Senators gave speeches about why they thought the Farm Bill is good for small farmers. It didn't look to me that there were any other Senators in the room except for the ones who were speaking. At 6 pm there was a quorum call and then finding there was no quorum they called it a night. Our gubermint in action. You might want to click your way to my <a href="http://henwhisperer.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">blog</a> to read what I wrote about it and also, in another entry, what journalists are saying about the secrecy in the Farm Bill, that FOIA section. Donna, I watched the Senate on CSPAN2 yesterday from 3 to 6 pm. A few Senators gave speeches about why they thought the Farm Bill is good for small farmers. It didn’t look to me that there were any other Senators in the room except for the ones who were speaking. At 6 pm there was a quorum call and then finding there was no quorum they called it a night. Our gubermint in action.

You might want to click your way to my blog
to read what I wrote about it and also, in another entry, what journalists are saying about the secrecy in the Farm Bill, that FOIA section.

]]> by: Sue F http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-624223 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:24:13 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-624223 The disease that people get is different from the one hoofed critters get. I always hear of one or two young kids a year coming down with it. Always very young ones and sometimes the adult caregiver. The recall on the million lbs of beef is now including meat in NH. There's an article in todays Union Leader. The killing does need to stop. Cargill wouldn't care if an animal is sick. The feedlots are so crowded would they even notice? I think much more highly of my critters and would rather allow them recovery time, medicines depending on the problem and a little TLC. Even my meat animals deserve that much. While I wouldn't want my food animals pumped full of antibiotics I am not totally adverse to using them. One of those case by case decisions. One method doesn't fit all from one creature to another on my little farm. One method isn't going to work for all farms. A cargill sized feedlot's method? It doesn't fit anywhere. It's causing the problem. The disease that people get is different from the one hoofed critters get. I always hear of one or two young kids a year coming down with it. Always very young ones and sometimes the adult caregiver.

The recall on the million lbs of beef is now including meat in NH. There’s an article in todays Union Leader.

The killing does need to stop. Cargill wouldn’t care if an animal is sick. The feedlots are so crowded would they even notice? I think much more highly of my critters and would rather allow them recovery time, medicines depending on the problem and a little TLC. Even my meat animals deserve that much. While I wouldn’t want my food animals pumped full of antibiotics I am not totally adverse to using them. One of those case by case decisions. One method doesn’t fit all from one creature to another on my little farm. One method isn’t going to work for all farms. A cargill sized feedlot’s method? It doesn’t fit anywhere. It’s causing the problem.

]]> by: DK http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-622930 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:01:19 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-622930 I was in the UK during the 2001 foot and mouth event. It was your worst nightmare. Govenment blackboots, troops, men in moon suits moving in and blocking roads burning farms. Government gone mad. And now they tell us oops they made a little mistake. They the government released the disease upon us. On top of it they now say that their overreaction was not warranted that it was a mistake to. Well tell that to the millions of dead animals. Healthy animals that didnt have any disease. Tell that to the nearly hundred farmers who died killed by the government driven to suicide morning the loss of their farms. Tell that to the familys that lost their way of life. And now in 2007 the British government is doing it all over again. Again they reeleased foot and mouth from their labs onto farms and again they are playing their killing zone games. Then again they tell us oops that pig farm wasn't infected after all, sorry about having killed all your pigs. Bugger. I was in the UK during the 2001 foot and mouth event. It was your worst nightmare. Govenment blackboots, troops, men in moon suits moving in and blocking roads burning farms. Government gone mad. And now they tell us oops they made a little mistake. They the government released the disease upon us. On top of it they now say that their overreaction was not warranted that it was a mistake to. Well tell that to the millions of dead animals. Healthy animals that didnt have any disease. Tell that to the nearly hundred farmers who died killed by the government driven to suicide morning the loss of their farms. Tell that to the familys that lost their way of life.

And now in 2007 the British government is doing it all over again. Again they reeleased foot and mouth from their labs onto farms and again they are playing their killing zone games. Then again they tell us oops that pig farm wasn’t infected after all, sorry about having killed all your pigs.

Bugger.

]]> by: Bob Constantine http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-622879 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:42:17 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-622879 Donna thank you for bringing up "the new terrorism" issues. We shouldn't confuse this terrosism with the kind of "homegrown" we used to have back in the 70s either. This homegrown isn't dope but it's sponsored by the dopes that are supposed to represent us. Folks under the newest proposal people like us, that fight for our freedom are potentially "terrorists". Next up - internet regulations? Don't be surprised when "they" try it. Freedom of speech, as long as you say the right things eh? USA = Animal Farm ? You decide. Go Ron Paul! Donna thank you for bringing up “the new terrorism” issues.

We shouldn’t confuse this terrosism with the kind of “homegrown” we used to have back in the 70s either. This homegrown isn’t dope but it’s sponsored by the dopes that are supposed to represent us.

Folks under the newest proposal people like us, that fight for our freedom are potentially “terrorists”.

Next up - internet regulations? Don’t be surprised
when “they” try it.
Freedom of speech, as long as you say the right things eh?

USA = Animal Farm ?
You decide.

Go Ron Paul!

]]> by: donna http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-622360 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:58:12 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-622360 An adult woman I know in town - 11 miles from our farm - had 'foot and mouth' a couple of months ago. She got it from kissing a baby with it. I told her not to visit out our way! Should there have been a 10k 'depopulation' zone around that town? Two Questions: 1. Does anyone know where we are with the Farm Bill? I've heard it will be debated today but can't find any specifics about what is in it at this point. 2. Are you aware of HR 1955 which was passed in the House Oct. 23? Do you know that this Resolution has been passed onto the Senate as S.1959 Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 Under Definitions we have: `(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives. Gosh! that intimidate or coerce the US government &#38; civilian population to further political or social objectives sounds a lot like lobbyists and executive directives, to me. Under Findings we have: `(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens. An adult woman I know in town - 11 miles from our farm - had ‘foot and mouth’ a couple of months ago. She got it from kissing a baby with it. I told her not to visit out our way! Should there have been a 10k ‘depopulation’ zone around that town?

Two Questions:

1. Does anyone know where we are with the Farm Bill? I’ve heard it will be debated today but can’t find any specifics about what is in it at this point.
2. Are you aware of HR 1955 which was passed in the House Oct. 23? Do you know that this Resolution has been passed onto the Senate as S.1959 Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007
Under Definitions we have:

`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

Gosh! that intimidate or coerce the US government & civilian population to further political or social objectives sounds a lot like lobbyists and executive directives, to me.

Under Findings we have:

`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

]]> by: D B http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-621904 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:11:12 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-621904 The disease is not Foot and Mouth Disease, its Hoof and Mouth Disease. Cows, goats, sheep, llamas, alpacas and pigs do not have feet, they have hooves. <i>[Okay, I'm going to nit-pick since you're doing it... 1) The USDA says: <blockquote><small>Foot-and-mouth disease (FMD) is a severe, highly communicable viral disease of cattle and swine. It also affects sheep, goats, deer, and other cloven-hooved ruminants. FMD is not recognized as a zoonotic disease. <small>-<a href="http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/pubs/fsheet_faq_notice/fs_ahfmd.html">USDA</a></small></small></blockquote> 2) The British Defra says: <blockquote><small>Foot and mouth disease is an infectious disease affecting cloven-hoofed animals, in particular cattle, sheep, pigs, goats and deer. Since 3 August 2007 there have been 8 confirmed cases of Foot and Mouth Disease (FMD) in Surrey and Windsor and Maidenhead. <small>-<a href="http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/fmd/default.htm">Defra in the UK</a></small></small></blockquote> 3) The United States Center for Disease Control (CDC) says: <blockquote><small>Hand, foot, and mouth disease (HFMD) is a common illness of infants and children. <small>-<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/revb/enterovirus/hfhf.htm">CDC</a></small></small></blockquote> This is completely unrelated. 4) Pigs have feet with toes with nails just like you, not hooves despite what Defra and the USDA think. I know pigs. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-and-mouth_disease">disease</a> is officially known as Foot and Mouth Disease and often abreviated to just FMD. Sometimes people call it Hoof and Mouth Disease but that is a less common term (68K hits vs 1,630K hits for FMD). Call it what you want but if you use different terms you may be miss-understood. What is more important than what you call it is the fact that the government doesn't need to go killing all sick <u>and</u> healthy animals within a 10-km zone when there is an outbreak of FMD. Government over reaction does more damage than the disease ever could. The British have now admitted they made a grave mistake with their killing of over 6 million healthy livestock animals in 2001. Let the killing stop. -WJ]</i> The disease is not Foot and Mouth Disease, its Hoof and Mouth Disease. Cows, goats, sheep, llamas, alpacas and pigs do not have feet, they have hooves.

[Okay, I’m going to nit-pick since you’re doing it…

1) The USDA says:

Foot-and-mouth disease (FMD) is a severe, highly communicable viral disease of cattle and swine. It also affects sheep, goats, deer, and other cloven-hooved ruminants. FMD is not recognized as a zoonotic disease.
-USDA

2) The British Defra says:

Foot and mouth disease is an infectious disease affecting cloven-hoofed animals, in particular cattle, sheep, pigs, goats and deer. Since 3 August 2007 there have been 8 confirmed cases of Foot and Mouth Disease (FMD) in Surrey and Windsor and Maidenhead.
-Defra in the UK

3) The United States Center for Disease Control (CDC) says:

Hand, foot, and mouth disease (HFMD) is a common illness of infants and children.
-CDC

This is completely unrelated.

4) Pigs have feet with toes with nails just like you, not hooves despite what Defra and the USDA think. I know pigs.

The disease is officially known as Foot and Mouth Disease and often abreviated to just FMD. Sometimes people call it Hoof and Mouth Disease but that is a less common term (68K hits vs 1,630K hits for FMD). Call it what you want but if you use different terms you may be miss-understood.

What is more important than what you call it is the fact that the government doesn’t need to go killing all sick and healthy animals within a 10-km zone when there is an outbreak of FMD. Government over reaction does more damage than the disease ever could. The British have now admitted they made a grave mistake with their killing of over 6 million healthy livestock animals in 2001. Let the killing stop. -WJ]

]]> by: Sue F http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-617377 Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:11:11 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-617377 An the food just keeps getting worse: Million lbs of beef recalled <a HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/03/beef.recall.ap/index.html" rel="nofollow">Cargill Recall</A> An the food just keeps getting worse:
Million lbs of beef recalled

Cargill Recall

]]> by: Henwhisperer http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-615560 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:25:12 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/10/30/cure-worse-than-disease/#comment-615560 You guys have got to read this: <a href="http://warmwell.blogspot.com/2007/11/far-too-cosy-word-to-describe-what-goes.html" rel="nofollow">"Culling" is far too cosy a word to describe what goes on.</a> I think the site Warmwell is to FMD in the UK as NoNAIS is to NAIS in the US. If you haven't been there before it is a font of information about FMD, the truth. You guys have got to read this:
“Culling” is far too cosy a word to describe what goes on.

I think the site Warmwell is to FMD in the UK as NoNAIS is to NAIS in the US. If you haven’t been there before it is a font of information about FMD, the truth.

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