Comments on: The Right to Bear fArms http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/ Protect our traditional rights to farm Thu, 17 May 2012 03:53:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: LEE http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-79869 Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:19:31 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-79869 Just a thought, not only is it a good idea to question and stand firm against folks like vets and meatcutters and others who push NAIS,with holding sevices(or parroting the party line) it is that folks need to learn to doctor their own animals,cut their own meat,teach your self any skill you can learn for which you are forced to depend on outsiders for. I know this is not practical for everyone and in every situation, but I believe many more folks could learn some more of these self-suffecient skills which are nessesary to run a farm or homestead should the service become unavailable. We need to establish networks of folks to work with and to trade with, folks we can work with and support on a day to day basis. Now would be the time to begin to establish these relationships because even if we stop this NAIS madness we face other threats to this way of life and not the least is the "disconnect" from each other. I know a bit whereof I speak as I am not a "people" person ,there is a reason I live out here in the sticks, and I am talking to me as much as anyone else, but I do realize that we must have some interaction with likeminded folks to talk to and to share ideas and such, most folks have a circle of friends who they share ideas and things with, but it may be a good idea to expand that circle, searching out folks who have skills or goods that you may need access to in the event of a problem. Thanks! Just a thought, not only is it a good idea to question and stand firm against folks like vets and meatcutters and others who push NAIS,with holding sevices(or parroting the party line)

it is that folks need to learn to doctor their own animals,cut their own meat,teach your self any skill you can learn for which you are forced to depend on outsiders for.

I know this is not practical for everyone and in every situation, but I believe many more folks could learn some more of these self-suffecient skills which are nessesary to run a farm or homestead should the service become unavailable.

We need to establish networks of folks to work with and to trade with, folks we can work with and support on a day to day basis.

Now would be the time to begin to establish these relationships because even if we stop this NAIS madness we face other threats to this way of life and not the least is the “disconnect” from each other.

I know a bit whereof I speak as I am not a “people” person ,there is a reason I live out here in the sticks, and I am talking to me as much as anyone else,

but I do realize that we must have some interaction with likeminded folks to talk to and to share ideas and such,

most folks have a circle of friends who they share ideas and things with, but it may be a good idea to expand that circle,

searching out folks who have skills or goods that you may need access to in the event of a problem. Thanks!

]]> by: Patricia Hampton http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-78644 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:49:09 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-78644 As soon as the term "stake holders" appeared it was clear which side their bread is butter on. UN speak is a dead giveaway every time. As soon as the term “stake holders” appeared it was clear which side their bread is butter on. UN speak is a dead giveaway every time.

]]> by: Sue F http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-78196 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:57:16 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-78196 Interesting timing?? VT's AG just spouted the dangers of raw milk. This weeks NH market bulletin has an article about how dangerous raw milk is. NH has been trying to hire a second state vet for the north country. There has been a series of articles in various newspapers about how hard it is to get a large animal vet to a farm. Now I'm seeing the same tactic in Maine. Point? I don't know if there is any point to anything I'm thinking at 5 a.m. Except that Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont are tiny little states without great amounts of money or population. Like it it or not our fortunes are connected. As one falls so do the others. We need to go back to the old way of paying attention to our neighbors and helping them. Might be as little as a comment box in a newspaper article, could be a letter or phone call to the various legislatures. Every little bit helps. Interesting timing??
VT’s AG just spouted the dangers of raw milk. This weeks NH market bulletin has an article about how dangerous raw milk is.
NH has been trying to hire a second state vet for the north country. There has been a series of articles in various newspapers about how hard it is to get a large animal vet to a farm. Now I’m seeing the same tactic in Maine.

Point? I don’t know if there is any point to anything I’m thinking at 5 a.m. Except that Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont are tiny little states without great amounts of money or population. Like it it or not our fortunes are connected. As one falls so do the others. We need to go back to the old way of paying attention to our neighbors and helping them. Might be as little as a comment box in a newspaper article, could be a letter or phone call to the various legislatures. Every little bit helps.

]]> by: Sue F http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-78169 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:35:53 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-78169 NH's Real ID battle is still on going. Hopeful that this time real id will be killed. <a href="http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=REAL+ID+foes+push+bill+to+ban+NH%27s+compliance&#38;articleId=4b876e93-cefe-414c-9953-57e301758434" rel="nofollow">Real ID article, Union Leader</a> There is a comment box at the bottom of this article. Use it! NH’s Real ID battle is still on going. Hopeful that this time real id will be killed.

Real ID article, Union Leader
There is a comment box at the bottom of this article. Use it!

]]> by: Lois Jordan http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-77777 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 04:20:45 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-77777 "the National Pork Producers Council said Wednesday it will ask marketplace players, including meat packers, and swine breed registries, to require premises identification numbers from pork producers" Wisconsin is already doing this. Vets are telling farmers that they have to show their premise ID or give them the number to perform services. Goat shows are requiring proof of premise ID, to enter your animals (open shows, not just 4H). They have a line on the entry forms for it. Now I ask you, what happened to "this information will remain confidential and be given out only in the event of an emergency"???? Now something I will point out from my own personal experience, when you confront these people (vets, clubs) and refuse to do it, they have backed down. Which tells me that they know they are on slippery legal slope. When I demanded that my vet show me the proof of this "requirement" he couldn't and months later still has not done so. Stand your ground folks and don't let them intimidate you!! “the National Pork Producers Council said Wednesday it will ask marketplace players, including meat packers, and swine breed registries, to require premises identification numbers from pork producers”

Wisconsin is already doing this.
Vets are telling farmers that they have to show their premise ID or give them the number to perform services.
Goat shows are requiring proof of premise ID, to enter your animals (open shows, not just 4H). They have a line on the entry forms for it.

Now I ask you, what happened to “this information will remain confidential and be given out only in the event of an emergency”????

Now something I will point out from my own personal experience, when you confront these people (vets, clubs) and refuse to do it, they have backed down. Which tells me that they know they are on slippery legal slope.

When I demanded that my vet show me the proof of this “requirement” he couldn’t and months later still has not done so.

Stand your ground folks and don’t let them intimidate you!!

]]> by: LEE http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-77687 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:11:21 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-77687 Ya know ole King George had a plan to put the screws to those rebel farmers and folks, breath threats down their necks, fine them ,tax them belittle and degrade them and put the fear of the govicorp into them,make them see that they needed them to protect them after all, his cronies, the shipping companies and traders(read Monsanto,ADM,Cargill ect) had spent and lost alot of money fighting those french and Indians,(inventing/researching new ways and technologies in order to absolutely destroy real farming)they had to recoup some losses,(are you seeing any paralels yet? He had to make them afraid to stand up, or to speak out against him or his loyal campaign contributors ,to isolate them and to make them bow to the power of the state,(and to corporate power)and by God he would make them bow to his power,you could take it to the bank, but as often happens in these matters, a funny thing happened on the way to the bank that day.........:) Ya know ole King George had a plan to put the screws to those rebel farmers and folks,

breath threats down their necks, fine them ,tax them belittle and degrade them and put the fear of the govicorp into them,make them see that they needed them to protect them

after all, his cronies, the shipping companies and traders(read Monsanto,ADM,Cargill ect) had spent and lost alot of money fighting those french and Indians,(inventing/researching new ways and technologies in order to absolutely destroy real farming)they had to recoup some losses,(are you seeing any paralels yet?

He had to make them afraid to stand up, or to speak out against him or his loyal campaign contributors ,to isolate them and to make them bow to the power of the state,(and to corporate power)and by God he would make them bow to his power,you could take it to the bank,

but as often happens in these matters, a funny thing happened on the way to the bank that day………:)

]]> by: Jack http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-76764 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:10:54 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-76764 Sober thought. ALL related to ...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness seem to be under attack to either eradicate or privatize them to individual or state control. Sober thought. ALL related to …life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness seem to be under attack to either eradicate or privatize them to individual or state control.

]]> by: Lin Gendron http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-76712 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:46:21 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-76712 My family fought to bear arms...and we do.. We will absolutely fight to bear FARMS.....And Beyond........ My family fought to bear arms…and we do.. We will absolutely fight to bear FARMS…..And Beyond……..

]]> by: SUSAN http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-76626 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:35:51 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-76626 Ya now, if NAIS is indeed part and parcel of the WTO, then it only seems to make sense that eventually, every single person who eats in the whole world will have to file reports when they eat an animal, such as a shark caught in Japanese waters, a lizard in Borneo or a monkey in the Amazon rain forest! Those animals can have and spread diseases, too! I am sure chipmakers have their idea people working on this one; kill monkey, insert chip, file report, roast and enjoy! How are they going to keep track of all those little ants or other bugs that some tribes feast on? Ya now, if NAIS is indeed part and parcel of the WTO, then it only seems to make sense that eventually, every single person who eats in the whole world will have to file reports when they eat an animal, such as a shark caught in Japanese waters, a lizard in Borneo or a monkey in the Amazon rain forest! Those animals can have and spread diseases, too! I am sure chipmakers have their idea people working on this one; kill monkey, insert chip, file report, roast and enjoy!
How are they going to keep track of all those little ants or other bugs that some tribes feast on?

]]> by: nick lecompte http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-76492 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:22:30 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/03/14/the-right-to-bear-farms/#comment-76492 jan, money is not the root of all evil,but it is the love of money. making money in its self is not wrong ,only if you make it at someone elses expense, and this happens with forced compliance of any form. when things become mandatory they have heavy price tags. <i>[I agree with Nick on this - it is an important distinction. It is greed that is the problem, the evil. It could be greed for anything, money is but one abstraction. -WJ]</i> jan, money is not the root of all evil,but it is the love of money. making money in its self is not wrong ,only if you make it at someone elses expense, and this happens with forced compliance of any form. when things become mandatory they have heavy price tags.

[I agree with Nick on this - it is an important distinction. It is greed that is the problem, the evil. It could be greed for anything, money is but one abstraction. -WJ]

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