by Doreen Hannes
animalwaitress@yahoo.com
We have backdoor NAIS (ie. Washington State Animal Health Enhancement legislation), we have front door NAIS (ie. Texas not repealing 1364). We have through the window NAIS, evidenced in the Useless Guide and Farm Bureau touting “Voluntary with a capital V“. Unless you want to buy or sell or move an animal from one location to another, or purchase an animal that is already officially id’d, which will require you to participate in NAIS. So we have got to be on the lookout in our own states for any of these methods coming into being either through our Departments of Agriculture (or equivalent) or through our legislative bodies. Federally as well.
Almost every state has a searchable legislation area on their state website. Google up “your state legislature” and cruise around on the site until you find a section where you can track bills or check entered legislation. Search for these three things at the minimum:
1) Animal Identification
2) Premises Registration
3) Animal Health
[Note that spelling varies from ‘premises’ vs ‘premise’ or ‘id’ vs ‘identification’ so I generally setup several searches using different spellings. -WJ]
If you find anything relating to those topics read the “bill text” and if you have trouble understanding what it means, send it to someone who is at least slightly experienced at reading legalese. Also send the link to the site you got the text from to help in doing reflex look-ups. [Sending links is critical to saving people time in refinding the information! -WJ]
The Federal register needs to be monitored as well. We can’t forget that we are in the ‘implementation’ phase and not in a “thinking about it” phase. Here is the web address for the main page of the Federal Register. gpoaccess.gov/fr/
The Federal government needs to be monitored as well. There are two search engines that are good for that govtrack.us and thomas.gov.
We absolutely must be proactive and not leave this in other people’s hands because there isn’t any one person who can do all of these things and still manage to avoid sleep deprivation psychosis. Please bookmark these sites and go there to check on a regular basis and let others know if anything that may be important pops up. The Federal Register is the most daunting of all of these sites and one we really, really do have to watch.
If we want to avoid falling prey to a “voluntary at the Federal level” nightmare, we have to be vigilant and help to keep each other informed. This is a truly grassroots movement and to be viable we have to have lots of grass. As the man said, “You can have my chicken when pry it from my cold, dead hands.”
We have more than a back door. On Monday we have a hearing in the Senate, ANIMAL EMERGENCY in WASHINGTON though there is NO out of the ordinary animal disease in our state. They are trying to SNEAK this language in on a bill to continue the Cattle Advisory Board!!!! Not on my watch!
Comment Celeste — February 2, 2007 @ 8:45 am
Just watching the watchers using Walter’s site meter. Never know who pops on.
Domain Name state.id.us ? (United States)
IP Address 164.165.70.# (State of Idaho)
ISP State of Idaho
Location
Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : Idaho
City : Boise
Lat/Long : 43.7135, -116.1853 (Map)
Language English (United States)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft WinXP
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
Javascript version 1.3
Monitor
Resolution : 1280 x 1024
Color Depth : 32 bits
Time of Visit Feb 2 2007 10:23:04 am
Last Page View Feb 2 2007 10:24:27 am
[Fans in high places. :) They need to upgrade their software though. IE6 has bugs in it that are resolved in 7. Better yet, switch to Opera, FireFox, iCab, Safari or some other standards compliant web browser. Did you know that if you go to Google Maps and type in the Lat/Long coordinates it give’s you a map of their location? I added a link above. -WalterJ]
Comment Sue F — February 2, 2007 @ 9:32 am
Domain Name (Unknown)
IP Address 168.68.129.# (USDA Office of Operations)
ISP USDA Office of Operations
Location
Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : Colorado
City : Fort Collins
Lat/Long : 40.524, -105.1396 (Map)
Language English (United States)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft WinXP
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
Javascript version 1.3
Monitor
Resolution : 1024 x 768
Color Depth : 32 bits
Time of Visit Feb 2 2007 9:27:43 am
Last Page View Feb 2 2007 9:29:47 am
Visit Length 2 minutes 4 seconds
Page Views 1
Referring URL http://www.google.co…earch?hl=en&q=nonais
Search Engine google.com
Search Words nonais
Visit Entry Page http://nonais.org/
Visit Exit Page http://nonais.org/
Out Click Sugar Mountain Farm
http://sugarmtnfarm.com/blog/
Time Zone UTC-6:00
Visitor’s Time Feb 2 2007 8:27:43 am
Visit Number 199,933
Comment Sue F — February 2, 2007 @ 9:39 am
Domain Name (Unknown)
IP Address 168.166.80.# (State of Missouri Office of Administration)
ISP State of Missouri Office of Administration
Location
Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : Missouri
City : Jefferson City
Lat/Long : 38.4814, -92.1273 (Map)
Language English (United States)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft WinXP
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)
Javascript version 1.3
Monitor
Resolution : 1280 x 1024
Color Depth : 32 bits
Time of Visit Feb 2 2007 9:24:32 am
Last Page View Feb 2 2007 9:30:22 am
Visit Length 5 minutes 50 seconds
Page Views 4
Referring URL
Visit Entry Page http://www.nonais.org/
Visit Exit Page http://www.nonais.org/
Out Click Text
http://edocket.acces…gov/2007/E7-1719.htm
Time Zone UTC-6:00
Visitor’s Time Feb 2 2007 8:24:32 am
Visit Number 199,932
Note them exiting to NAIS legislation.
Comment Sue F — February 2, 2007 @ 9:43 am
Domain Name hesc.com ? (Commercial)
IP Address 12.152.249.# (NYS DEPT OF AG AND MARKETS)
ISP AT&T WorldNet Services
Location
Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : New York
City : Albany
Lat/Long : 42.6149, -73.9708 (Map)
Language English (United States)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft WinXP
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)
Javascript version 1.3
Monitor
Resolution : 1024 x 768
Color Depth : 32 bits
Time of Visit Feb 2 2007 8:51:11 am
Last Page View Feb 2 2007 8:52:16 am
Visit Length 1 minute 5 seconds
Page Views 1
Referring URL
Visit Entry Page http://www.nonais.org/
Visit Exit Page http://www.nonais.org/
Out Click PA Pennsylvanians Against NAIS
http://groups.yahoo….vanians_againstNAIS/
Time Zone UTC-5:00
Visitor’s Time Feb 2 2007 8:51:11 am
Visit Number 199,913
Last oe I’m going to add. They are watching.
Comment Sue F — February 2, 2007 @ 9:46 am
I got several USDA hits on my blog today, googling for Mary Zanoni NAIS and NASS NAIS. They are frequent viewers. The FDA was there when I posted about cloned meat. Must be a good job being able to do research all day looking for the opposition.
Comment Henwhisperer — February 2, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
You’re freaking me out. I think it’s good that they are checking us out, because that means they are getting an earful (eyefull?) at least. Anyway, I forgot to add in the original post that there are also state registers for state agencies to keep our eyes on.
Now to try to find the USDA docs….=d
Comment Doreen — February 2, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
Great work! LOL … I love it!
However, I will ask that the casual viewers recall this moment, once the Net becomes managed.
This is an example of why it must transpire: the government, among others, cannot have citizens monitoring their betters.
Mark my words. Ya need to work to KEEP THE WEB OPEN TO ALL, too. I believe it is called Net Neutrality.
Just 2¢ to keep in mind … also, phew.
Comment Mr Dirty Nails — February 2, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
Yep! Big brother is watching. What we do, where we go, who we call. Hmmmm. Back in time we go.
Comment arlene — February 2, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
re : “they are watching”…Maybe some of “them” are trying to get informed and feel guilty about their participation in promoting NAIS :). It’s okay Gov’t. watchers to jump ship and recognize your higher ups are committed to stealing everybody’s rights, including yours eventually. Heck, if you work for the USDA and don’t agree with NAIS, have the sack to say so. What’s wrong, scared of losing your job? If you’re not one of the “lucky” ones being paid off, and you’re worried about your retirement money…give it up, it’s only a job. There’ll be nothing left to pay for your gov’t. retirement anyway so why not learn to farm, at least you’ll eat and get out from behind your desk and doing boring work! Go ahead Leave some messages here, set yourself free. Leave the “dark side”, give us your secrets and become a whistle blower, pay your boss back, tell the world. What makes you think “they” will stop at taking only “our” rights away? Your rights are next…Don’t be a “tool” of the oppressors!
Besides we Nonaisers are better people and drive really cool tractors and stuff!
[Aye, we get all the fun toys which makes the girls and boys behind the desks drool with jealousy. They should turn coat and do whistle blowing, then take early retirement to the good life on the farm. -WJ]
Comment Bob Constantine — February 2, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Funny thing…… I used the coordinants given for Lat/Long and went onto Google Earth to see where these places are.
The Boise location is about 5 miles north of any part of town, in the middle of the nearby hills, without even a road to get to the spot. And certainly no sign of a building or such.
One of the others was in what appears to be a hay field. That was Denver.
The others also seem to be away from anything resembling what I would normally suppose to be a Gvmnt. facilty of this sort.
Is this just the way the isp comes out on all of us, or are they afraid that some of will come looking for them?
Blaine Hubsmith
Richfield, Idaho
Comment Blaine Hubsmith — February 2, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
The watchers watching the watched. I got some very positive response from local and federal senators’ offices today when I phoned about #1. I think they are realizing that this thing is spiraling out of control and their constituents are going to get hurt without any real benefit to agriculture.
Comment Podchef — February 2, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
Net Neutrality, Senator TED STEVENS-ALASKA is all for it. We need to watch this. If it passes I will say good by to the interent. Another Boycott. I guess I better make up another sign for that too.
Now the propaganda they are using is, Porno, child molesters, etc. This is what they are using to promote net neutrality. the Government doesn’t want us to have a FAST Way of knowing what is going on. Do you see the division there???
Comment Gisela — February 3, 2007 @ 1:54 am
#6 I wonder what the pay is? Dont we have a right to know where are tax dollars go to??
Comment Gisela — February 3, 2007 @ 2:08 am
Sharon, one I didn’t post did come from your blog. There were several more here that day.
I hope they are here because they want to learn something good. But…
Comment Sue F — February 3, 2007 @ 6:04 am
Story from the BBC that’s worth watching link Said a little bird must have gotten through the ventilation shafts.
Comment Sue F — February 3, 2007 @ 6:46 am
Blaine, that is interesting. I suppose it could be the little guys way down on the ladder in a field office. But from my own experience… My husband was bound and determined to get a grant here to redo the swales. At the USDA office they were able to zoom right in on our property. Much closer than google earth can do with much more detail. My husband thought it was neat. Sent shivers up my spine. Husband doesn’t believe that the USDA has been taken over by the dark side. He still remembers the helping hands of the 50’s and early 60’s. They were even able to tell him exactly how much land was here. The deed isn’t clear, the farm bounded by natural boundries. They’ve got imaging that zoomed right down to the small chicken coop that is barely outhouse sized.
Comment Sue F — February 3, 2007 @ 6:53 am
The bird flu story just hit CNN. 160,000 turkeys to be destroyed.
Comment Sue F — February 3, 2007 @ 7:27 am
The British government is enforcing EU-agreed controls to contain the outbreak, which means setting up a protection zone with a radius of 3 km (2 miles) and a surveillance zone of 10 km around the infected farm, the Commission said.
The carnage begins again.
Comment Sue F — February 3, 2007 @ 7:29 am
Top of the morning to y’all:)
I was just thinking, based on the quotes below, that, given the fact we know our opponents are not strangers to dirty pool: would it be beyond the realm of possibility for a stakeholder to poison one of their own facilities? If you see what I mean? How the situation is limited by their normal containment methods as the quote would indicate. Call it a cost of doing business.
So then the question is, should someone choose to take this mission, was the operation owned by a stakeholder?
Professor John Oxford, a virologist at the London Queen Mary’s School of Medicine and Dentistry, said he was confident the outbreak could be contained.
He said: “I don’t think it has made any difference as a threat to the human population. The most likely explanation is that a small bird has come in through a ventilation shaft.
~ indicating of course this is a confined factory operation, yes?
“One good thing about this virus is that it’s easily destroyed. You can kill it with a bit of detergent.
~ Something to keep in mind for future reference to be sure.
Comment Mr Dirty Nails — February 3, 2007 @ 8:08 am
To the Prayerful People among us:)
Though I am a Christian, and you may not be, if you be a person of prayer: I implore you to pray more fervently, every time they cross your mind, for the laborers among us in the fields of this fight for our continued liberties.
Pray for for your compatriots here, and all! in the numerous fronts that are presently engaged in preserving our way of life.
Please … if you be a person of prayer, implore your God in behalf of the laborers of liberty amongst us: for their strength, for their protection, for their encouragement! We all may not be public speakers, or researchers, or what have you, but, as with a smile, prayers only cost you the presence of mind to offer it.
Please do.
Here’s my reason why:
Eph 6:12* For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Comment Mr Dirty Nails — February 3, 2007 @ 8:26 am
Oh boy here we go again,crank up the propaganda machine,CNN.First of all CNN 159000 turkeys is NOT a farm,its a factory,it is owned by europes largest producer,again CNN, NOT a farmer.A similar thing happened in france a year ago they say,again,(got it yet CNN?) NOT a farm,then last month they claim “thousands” of geese died from it,hmmm, must have kept that one quiet,I don’t recall hearing about it,again no “farmer” has thousands of geese,they are once again trying to blame”a little bird”and get this,even though it is NOT migration time,they’re puzzled by this?EARTH TO ENGLAND,it is caused by the factory,it spawned there,where conditions are perfect for it to spread! Then they tell folks: “don’t bail out on us,it would damage the “INDUSTRY” after all its a poultry disease,not a human disease,wait a minute,didn’t they just say it kills people?And one more thing,this socalled “farm” just happens to be located on an old US military base? I wonder what could be in that enviroment that could “trigger” a problem,if indeed this is actually “bird flu” and not some other disaster caused by a bio-agent left in the ground at this old base,yaa I know, wild, but I do not trust these morons to tell any truth,only to promote fear and get people to call for “safety and security” from any threat,and these govts are more than willing to “impose” protection. Most likely this is a case of a dirty enviroment caused by the filthy conditions found in all animal factories(not farms)Britian still doesn’t get it.neither do we,these factories are destroying agriculture everywhere,We still have a chance in America if we get away from entanglements like the EU and the UN and turn a course back toward taking care of our own country,shutting up the borders a bit more rejecting so called “foods” imported from all over the place,letting anyone and anything get in here,while saying that the govt is trying to protect the food supply is beyond insane and soon we will pay the price as a nation ,as small farmers,when this crap hits our shores and the gestapo,wipes out our animals to protect the people,and cover the fact that they were responsible for it coming here in the first place.
Comment LEE — February 3, 2007 @ 9:46 am
I’d be more guessing that it came in on a truck or nasty boots.
Guess they forgot what fresh air and sunshine does to lots of pathogens.
Comment Sue F — February 3, 2007 @ 10:29 am
Blaine, I googled the home I grew up in on LI, NY just to see what they were picking up on. Know the streets and adjoining lands like the back of my hand. Maybe even better than my hands.
The little pointer comes up on the edge of the property boundry. I had to manuevre the map to center the property. Was kind of a sad sight. The barns are gone. The old road to the park is gone. My grandmothers expansive rock garden is gone. Houses and blacktop. I could see the remains of foundations of two the barns. Just a ghost of what once was. Can zoom right on on LI. Individual cars can be picked up.
Comment Sue F — February 3, 2007 @ 10:37 am
The english bird flu thing got me thinking way back to LI, NY in another place and time.
1192 Ocean Ave, Bohemia, NY 11716
It will pull up the home that once was. Next house to the north was my grandmother’s. Directly to the west in the back was my Uncle. The back few acres were wooded with a dirt road that went past my Uncles home and gave us access to a large state park where we rode our horses. There were 3 chicken barns on the property once. My grandmother ran a small poultry farm. The birds had big pens that they could come and go as they pleased. She also would rotate the pens and let them out into the grass a few days a week. Each pen got a turn. Just amazes me that an eastern european immigrant who never got past the 6th grade knew what the fancy degree holding scientists didn’t. The birds need room, fresh air and light in order to be at their best.
I’m not a prayerful type person but I’ve found myself doing it lately. Right now I’m going out to dance with my turkeys in the sunlight. Do a little prayer the birds way.
Comment Sue F — February 3, 2007 @ 11:13 am
Sue F,
I use Google Earth quite often and have for some time.
After reading this atricle about the hog factories, I went on GE and looked for some of them. This is all the closer I want to get.
I look at wonders both natural and man-made, and have found a most valuable tool.
I watch CAFO sites, some since their construction, and print some of the images for later comparison. If there is ever a problem in my area concerning myself or my neighbors, I’ll have something to show how we are impacted, particularly if infractions are blatent and visible from space!
Sort of a little brother watching out for little brother.
As I read these and other posts, I’m always on GE to locate any stated area(s) that may or may not help me to stay informed in my opinions.
I do wish there were an inexpensive real-time satalite available to the public, as many of the images used by GE are 2-3 years old. If you use the overlays, you can see just when the image of any particular area was taken.
Again, a valuable tool.
Blaine
Comment Blaine Hubsmith — February 4, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Sadly enough, you can also track urban encroachment on farms, too, with this tool.
As good farmground is eaten up with housing developements and such.
I have always wished to have been born 100 years ago. As every day goes by, I’m more thankful that I am as old as I am. I would hate to see what things will be like 100 years from now!
Comment Blaine Hubsmith — February 4, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Blaine, frankly the state of the world has me very worried what will beoome of my daughter. I’m sure I’m not the only parent who wonders.
Not a bad idea to keep a few copies of development around. I’ve actually got some going on here that I suspect will cause problems. I can’t zoom in very close here though. It’s already increased the water running into the property very noticably.
Interesting side note to the UK bird flu story. The original vet diagnosed e-coli but made a few calls. Probably a good assumption, no way to keep 160,000 turkeys in one place real clean. But on the comments portion of the BBC articles there are people saying this same company owns a farm in Hungary that had an outbreak of bird flu about a month ago. Apparently the British poults are hatched in Hungary and brought to Britain to finish. Makes more sense than a little bird getting inside. Tried to find an article that mentioned the owner name in Hungary but no luck. Just what the English locals are saying.
Comment Sue F — February 5, 2007 @ 2:37 am
Heres something to chew on awhile, and although I’m no expert on all this stuff I do study these things,I will toss them out there for y’all to think about.In England they have Tony Blair,he is embroiled in a corruption scandal,he’s being pressured to step aside,he does’t want to,all the sudden they have a terrorist beheading plot,AND a bird flu outbreak,what a thing to get folks minds off tony for awhile,eh?hmmmmm,turns out they’re saying in britian that the Dept for Enviroment,Food and Rural affairs was running a “mock” avian flu drill at the same time as the out break at the factory,targeting several areas supposedly including the place where this old base is located,hmmmm,there are reports that the brit govt was running a drill in Londons subways in the time that the july 7th bombs went off,simulating a bombing,hmmmm,and supposedly according to a brit reporter/paper someone broke into a level 4 security lab back in’01 and stole a vial of hoof and mouth virus without the govt knowing it,or a least not reporting it,hmmmmm.The virus was evidently released a month later and voila’4 million animals are burned,and another thing,I came acrossed says that the farmers in England are the biggest opposition bloc against blair?Hmmmm. there other things, but because this bird brain flu thing is affecting the Brits at this time I’ll leave it at that for now,is all this a lie?Are all these incidents a strange coincidence?I leave you to draw you own conclusions,but may I say that if even one of these is true,what does that say about the british govt,or ours,I find it interesting that the govt happened to have H&M virus around to be stolen in the first place,and being the farmers in Britian are blairs opponents,I find it troubling that the farmers were almost wiped off the face of the land,coincidence?maybe but I wouldn’t bet the farm,on the other hand I wouldn’t go off on a tanget either,but we had better not trust the govt here too far either,(after all they have things they would like folks to not be looking at so close right now too,)just to be safe,to me theres too many questions and not any good answers.If this flu thing happens to spread aroung Britian,I think we better be asking these things very seriously.
Comment LEE — February 5, 2007 @ 10:42 am
No plot with the UK bird flu. Google Bernard Matthews. It’s a huge corporation approaching the size of Tyson.
If you flip over to the original BBC article there is a comments section. More than one person has pointed out that the farm in Hungary that had bird flu is also owned by Bernard Matthews. I couldn’t find a Hungarian news item that mentions the company name but Matthews does have places just outside of Budapest in the same area the quarntine and depopulation occured. More likely corporate greed moved birds or trucks without appropriate security measures.
[I received a CDC update that said “H5N1 in poultry in Suffolk, UK - February 3 The UK Veterinary Laboratories Agency (VLA) has confirmed an outbreak of the H5N1 strain of avian influenza in poultry found dead on a farm near Lowestoft in Suffolk, UK. It is similar to the virus that was found in Hungary in January.” -WJ]
Comment Sue F — February 5, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
I found this article in the Feb. 2007 Beefmaster Cowman magazine. UC Davis Launches Study to protect U.S.A. from Foot and Mouth Disease. It goes on to say that CADMS in the school of Veterinary Medicine at UC Davis, has launched a nationwide research study aimed a protecting the livestock industry from (FMD).
The focus of the ADM lab is to predict the spread of animal diseases if they were to enter the US. In conjunction with this, various control strategies are tested in order to evaluate their effectiveness and economic efficiency. Currently our major project is modeling FMD. Starting in 1997 with a PhD project, the lab began working to develop a simulation model that can predict how an outbreak of FMD might spread and best be controlled. Initially this model was developed for a 3-county region of California, but with increased funding, the efforts have expanded so that the current version can simulate the spread throughout the entire state of California. Work is underway to increase the scope of the model to a national level.
If you are a livestock producer in the US and would be interested in helping us develop this model by sharing some information about your farming practices please visit our US Livestock Disease Survey. We hope the results will be beneficial to livestock producers, the economy and of course the animal population in the US.
The Global Foot-and-Mouth Disease Surveillance and Modeling Lab (FMD)
led by Dr. Mark Thurmond.
Looks like another back door to premise ID and NAIS. This is supported by the USDA. Here is the link to the survey. The questions look rather familure to a recent survey sent in the mail. http://www.cadms.ucdavis.edu/
Mike in Texas
Comment Mike Morris — February 13, 2007 @ 4:35 am
What we need is transparency in government. Complete transparency. Ghost like transparency. Like government that isn’t there.
Comment Alice — March 31, 2009 @ 5:03 pm