Comments on: USDA Surveys - Mandatory? http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/ Protect our traditional rights to farm Thu, 17 May 2012 03:36:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Dan Brockman http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-117696 Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:20:14 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-117696 The Wisconsin Livestock Identification Consortium (WLIC) is seeking input to "move this state beyond the premises registration phase.". It is imperitive that everyone resond to this and request that the animal ID and premises registration programs be stopped, not re-formulated. you can email comments to: rfourdraine@wiid.org Also check out the website www.wiid.org With all of the opposition to these programs, the WLIC is looking for input on diluting the programs to only include some species, or "high rick livestock", maditory vs voluntary participation, and "requiring animal ID to participate in exisitng industry programs". The solution is abolishment of the programs altogether! The Wisconsin Livestock Identification Consortium (WLIC) is seeking input to “move this state beyond the premises registration phase.”. It is imperitive that everyone resond to this and request that the animal ID and premises registration programs be stopped, not re-formulated. you can email comments to: rfourdraine@wiid.org Also check out the website www.wiid.org

With all of the opposition to these programs, the WLIC is looking for input on diluting the programs to only include some species, or “high rick livestock”, maditory vs voluntary participation, and “requiring animal ID to participate in exisitng industry programs”. The solution is abolishment of the programs altogether!

]]> by: Goatman http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-21239 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:52:50 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-21239 I have a question about the survey, Walter. I will welcome input from anyone else, too. Suppose one refuses to respond to it. How do you suggest dealing with any subsequent phone calls from the USDA, asking why you haven't filled it out? What do you advise saying to them? How do you politely let them know that you want to be left alone? Thanks, everyone. <i>[I would tell them that I do not deal with the government over the phone, only in writing. Explain that for all you know they could be some criminal scam artist doing identity theft. Then politely say "Bye" and hang up. -WJ]</i> I have a question about the survey, Walter. I will welcome input from anyone else, too. Suppose one refuses to respond to it. How do you suggest dealing with any subsequent phone calls from the USDA, asking why you haven’t filled it out? What do you advise saying to them? How do you politely let them know that you want to be left alone?

Thanks, everyone.

[I would tell them that I do not deal with the government over the phone, only in writing. Explain that for all you know they could be some criminal scam artist doing identity theft. Then politely say “Bye” and hang up. -WJ]

]]> by: nick lecompte http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-18431 Wed, 17 Jan 2007 03:00:46 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-18431 the nass surveys have just hit new mexico.my mother and daughter both recieved theirs today.i just cant figure out why my daughter would get one,she owns no livestock or land,but they found her adress some where. go figure. the nass surveys have just hit new mexico.my mother and daughter both recieved theirs today.i just cant figure out why my daughter would get one,she owns no livestock or land,but they found her adress some where. go figure.

]]> by: LEE http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-18352 Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:00:24 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-18352 I know I keep saying it but Anita is right,the groups and organizations that take advantage of your right to choose in order to get you to join them then turn around and sell you out (and your right to choose) are "JUDAS",backstabbers,traitors both to their members and to the principles of liberty that this nation was founded upon,this is unforgivable and should cost them,its time to call a spade a spade,if folks continue to do business with these groups they betray themselves and embolden these animals to go farther down this path,if we need groups to perform certain functions such as breed registries,then lets start our own,no reason we need to do business with people willing to sell out their members in order to get themselves a position and to earn money and prestige with the govi/corp,their first duty was to their members and to their members common defence,not to a bunch of globalist who look at our liberty and say they have a better idea,than being free!As I have said many times(and will again) we owe them nothing and must do all we can to starve them out,to hurt them economicly,to resist as much as possible even if only to be able to look your self in the mirror in the morning and know you did what you could.Thanks! I know I keep saying it but Anita is right,the groups and organizations that take advantage of your right to choose in order to get you to join them then turn around and sell you out (and your right to choose) are “JUDAS”,backstabbers,traitors both to their members and to the principles of liberty that this nation was founded upon,this is unforgivable and should cost them,its time to call a spade a spade,if folks continue to do business with these groups they betray themselves and embolden these animals to go farther down this path,if we need groups to perform certain functions such as breed registries,then lets start our own,no reason we need to do business with people willing to sell out their members in order to get themselves a position and to earn money and prestige with the govi/corp,their first duty was to their members and to their members common defence,not to a bunch of globalist who look at our liberty and say they have a better idea,than being free!As I have said many times(and will again) we owe them nothing and must do all we can to starve them out,to hurt them economicly,to resist as much as possible even if only to be able to look your self in the mirror in the morning and know you did what you could.Thanks!

]]> by: Anita Messenger http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-18271 Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:10:55 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-18271 I wonder if you could return the "survey" with your OWN questions instead of answering their's... I have had phone calls and emails from all over the country from people terribly concerned about this thing they got in the mail. We do now know that apparently the American Morgan Horse Assoc. has given their membership list to the USDA as I had one party call who uses a particular address only for their AMHA membership...and the survey came to that address. This party is furious and is not renewing their AMHA membership. More people need to do this - withhold their money, memberships and registrations from these pro-NAIS associations for a couple of years. Without members, they are nothing. I wonder if you could return the “survey” with your OWN questions instead of answering their’s…

I have had phone calls and emails from all over the country from people terribly concerned about this thing they got in the mail. We do now know that apparently the American Morgan Horse Assoc. has given their membership list to the USDA as I had one party call who uses a particular address only for their AMHA membership…and the survey came to that address. This party is furious and is not renewing their AMHA membership. More people need to do this - withhold their money, memberships and registrations from these pro-NAIS associations for a couple of years. Without members, they are nothing.

]]> by: Mikela http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-18228 Tue, 16 Jan 2007 00:33:17 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-18228 CONNECTION BETWEEN NASS SURVEY AND NAIS We also have received a survey. Through research I discovered that it is NOT a census survey (this will occur in 2008), and under enforcement of the Authority of the Secretary of Agriculture to conduct a census of agriculture (Title 7&#62;Chapter 55&#62; section 2204g) it states that refusal to answer a question in a CENSUS survey, a person shall not be fined more than $100. THIS IS NOT A CENSUS SURVEY!!!! IT IS AN AGRICULTURAL IDENTIFICATION/STATISTICAL SURVEY BY THE NASS. Furthermore, in research into the NAIS website, under Premises Registration it states that previously the NAIS received it's information on total number premises count from the NASS! DO NOT FILL OUT THIS SURVEY IF YOU DON"T WANT YOUR PREMISES REGISTERED!!!! CONNECTION BETWEEN NASS SURVEY AND NAIS

We also have received a survey. Through research I discovered that it is NOT a census survey (this will occur in 2008), and under enforcement of the Authority of the Secretary of Agriculture to conduct a census of agriculture (Title 7>Chapter 55> section 2204g) it states that refusal to answer a question in a CENSUS survey, a person shall not be fined more than $100. THIS IS NOT A CENSUS SURVEY!!!! IT IS AN AGRICULTURAL IDENTIFICATION/STATISTICAL SURVEY BY THE NASS.

Furthermore, in research into the NAIS website, under Premises Registration it states that previously the NAIS received it’s information on total number premises count from the NASS!

DO NOT FILL OUT THIS SURVEY IF YOU DON”T WANT YOUR PREMISES REGISTERED!!!!

]]> by: LEE http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-17997 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:28:06 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-17997 I like your "spirit" Granny Miller.Walter, the piece by Henry Lamb is a good one,it raises alot of points and puts this issue out there for folks to ponder,I have read several good articles by Henry and I think he is an allie.Its a good read folks.The govi/corp will use any method at its disposal to weasel this info into a federal data bank,thats the nature of a weasel,besides being bloodsucking,destructive vermin,yaaa,sounds like govt to me.Another point is that those members of National Institute for Animal Agriculture like Monsanto,ADM,Cargill and such are of course backing this to cash in on the captive market this creates and of course none of us want to "buy" their chips/tags or anything else. I would mention that many farm folks are inadvertantly supporting their own demise by dealing with some of these companies,usually without even realizing it,but every dollar they get is ammo to use against us,for example how many farmers use"Roundup"? its made by Monsanto,this is not to condemn anyone,its just an example,and anyone who pays attention knows Monsanto is not your "friend"(do a search on monsanto,you may be shocked,maybe not) I am saying this to call our attention to what we are buying and more so to "WHOM" we are buying it from,I know it is hard to keep track of all this stuff but I think we as farmers have got to stop and look at this issue,these people mean to kill us off the land,if we don't stop them, so why would we want to give them a red cent? Seems to me if you know a monster plans to eat you for supper that you don't open the door for him or help him buy his table setting or the pot he plans to cook you in.You try to starve him or weaken him before he gets strong enough to get into your house,I doubt that any one of us can effect this outcome by our lonesome,but as a group we can all take a look at what we are buying and who gets the economic boost from that purchase,try to not buy anything that feeds the industrial ag machine(food, tools,equiptment,ANYTHING,talk to the feed store if they sell something these people make and see if they will stop selling it,talk to other farmers,ask where your seed comes from and who makes that weed killer or fertilizer,this fight has been a process,a growing,an awareness of what we need to do,and how to do it,so we are learning as we go,but this seems to me to be one of many things we can all do to get their attention,after all its all about money and if they start losing some they may pay attention,its just my thought but I do not see where it is in our interest to use products or sevices that directly or indirectly hurt us,I think if the feed dealer is selling me out by not supporting me against the enemy then I do not need to support his business,same for the salebarn,or traveling seed or fertilizer salesman,if he or his company are unsupportive or uninterested in my liberty to farm and to live free for that matter, then I dont care how good a deal he offers me or how bad I may need his wares I will tell him to hit the road,if we start to spread the misery around a bit,we may be able to get some folks who are fence sitters to realize whats at stake and help us fight this thing,I practice this myself,and yes you may anger some folks and some may say you're silly or hardnosed,or even threaten to not do business with you in the future,I say theres the door,hope it whacks you on the way out.Now I am certainly not advocating that we get ignorant about it,I am simply saying that we can add this to what we are doing already with other things till we reach critical mass and this this blows apart,I am sure many are already doing this,I would encourage others to consider it,it can help stall this mess,and every little bit of resistance put against the machine serves to slow it down and stall it.Thanks! I like your “spirit” Granny Miller.Walter, the piece by Henry Lamb is a good one,it raises alot of points and puts this issue out there for folks to ponder,I have read several good articles by Henry and I think he is an allie.Its a good read folks.The govi/corp will use any method at its disposal to weasel this info into a federal data bank,thats the nature of a weasel,besides being bloodsucking,destructive vermin,yaaa,sounds like govt to me.Another point is that those members of National Institute for Animal Agriculture like Monsanto,ADM,Cargill and such are of course backing this to cash in on the captive market this creates and of course none of us want to “buy” their chips/tags or anything else. I would mention that many farm folks are inadvertantly supporting their own demise by dealing with some of these companies,usually without even realizing it,but every dollar they get is ammo to use against us,for example how many farmers use”Roundup”? its made by Monsanto,this is not to condemn anyone,its just an example,and anyone who pays attention knows Monsanto is not your “friend”(do a search on monsanto,you may be shocked,maybe not) I am saying this to call our attention to what we are buying and more so to “WHOM” we are buying it from,I know it is hard to keep track of all this stuff but I think we as farmers have got to stop and look at this issue,these people mean to kill us off the land,if we don’t stop them, so why would we want to give them a red cent? Seems to me if you know a monster plans to eat you for supper that you don’t open the door for him or help him buy his table setting or the pot he plans to cook you in.You try to starve him or weaken him before he gets strong enough to get into your house,I doubt that any one of us can effect this outcome by our lonesome,but as a group we can all take a look at what we are buying and who gets the economic boost from that purchase,try to not buy anything that feeds the industrial ag machine(food, tools,equiptment,ANYTHING,talk to the feed store if they sell something these people make and see if they will stop selling it,talk to other farmers,ask where your seed comes from and who makes that weed killer or fertilizer,this fight has been a process,a growing,an awareness of what we need to do,and how to do it,so we are learning as we go,but this seems to me to be one of many things we can all do to get their attention,after all its all about money and if they start losing some they may pay attention,its just my thought but I do not see where it is in our interest to use products or sevices that directly or indirectly hurt us,I think if the feed dealer is selling me out by not supporting me against the enemy then I do not need to support his business,same for the salebarn,or traveling seed or fertilizer salesman,if he or his company are unsupportive or uninterested in my liberty to farm and to live free for that matter, then I dont care how good a deal he offers me or how bad I may need his wares I will tell him to hit the road,if we start to spread the misery around a bit,we may be able to get some folks who are fence sitters to realize whats at stake and help us fight this thing,I practice this myself,and yes you may anger some folks and some may say you’re silly or hardnosed,or even threaten to not do business with you in the future,I say theres the door,hope it whacks you on the way out.Now I am certainly not advocating that we get ignorant about it,I am simply saying that we can add this to what we are doing already with other things till we reach critical mass and this this blows apart,I am sure many are already doing this,I would encourage others to consider it,it can help stall this mess,and every little bit of resistance put against the machine serves to slow it down and stall it.Thanks!

]]> by: walterj http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-17989 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:57:56 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-17989 Interesting take by <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53746" rel="nofollow">Henry Lamb</a>. Interesting take by Henry Lamb.

]]> by: granny miller http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-17911 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:14:11 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-17911 We received ours before Christmas and put it went right back into the mailbox with "return to sender" written on the outside. This farm will not communicate with the USDA or permit them on our ground without a search warrant. In the past they sent a lady out to do the survey because we wouldn't return it. If she comes around this year, she is going to be told she is not welcomed here and be asked to get back in her car and not come back. We received ours before Christmas and put it went right back into the mailbox with “return to sender” written on the outside.
This farm will not communicate with the USDA or permit them on our ground without a search warrant. In the past they sent a lady out to do the survey because we wouldn’t return it. If she comes around this year, she is going to be told she is not welcomed here and be asked to get back in her car and not come back.

]]> by: Henwhisperer http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-17908 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:22:18 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2007/01/10/usda-surveys-mandatory/#comment-17908 Shirley, Look to the right, on the sidebar, and click your way to Kentucky Against. Join it. There are people in that group that need you. Together a few people CAN move mountains. We've seen it. It happened here in Vermont. It is happening in other states - Virginia, Washington. Faith of a mustard seed can do mighty things. Sharon Shirley,

Look to the right, on the sidebar, and click your way to Kentucky Against. Join it. There are people in that group that need you. Together a few people CAN move mountains. We’ve seen it. It happened here in Vermont. It is happening in other states - Virginia, Washington.

Faith of a mustard seed can do mighty things.

Sharon

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