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	<title>Comments on: Wisconsin Depopulates Vermont</title>
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		<title>by: Donna from WI</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/05/wisconsin-depopulating-vermont/#comment-10613</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow! Just for a moment you had me going there! :&gt; I thought you really meant that WI was going to kill off Vermont! I see the original story in the WI paper is now gone missing so I take it they pulled it in embarassment. Good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Just for a moment you had me going there! :> I thought you really meant that WI was going to kill off Vermont! I see the original story in the WI paper is now gone missing so I take it they pulled it in embarassment. Good!
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		<title>by: irene</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/05/wisconsin-depopulating-vermont/#comment-4372</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>i don't know if it's me or what, but i went to 2 feed stores, they didn't like the nonais flyers, when i went to the health food store, the owner got scared and told me stories about being arrested and charged with stuff and big brother and the bad guy and scared for thier business. HOwever i was enlightened about Monsanto and pharma politics dating back 40 years. People this is only one issue and the Patriot Act was designed for the dismantling of the Constituion for a myriad of reasons concerning the total control of our medical freedoms and agriculture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s me or what, but i went to 2 feed stores, they didn&#8217;t like the nonais flyers, when i went to the health food store, the owner got scared and told me stories about being arrested and charged with stuff and big brother and the bad guy and scared for thier business. HOwever i was enlightened about Monsanto and pharma politics dating back 40 years. People this is only one issue and the Patriot Act was designed for the dismantling of the Constituion for a myriad of reasons concerning the total control of our medical freedoms and agriculture
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		<title>by: LEE</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/05/wisconsin-depopulating-vermont/#comment-1521</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 02:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, this is indeed a step in the right direction but we have to remain vigilant,it would be like these varmits to make like they're going the way we want, then to pull a fast one, especially if we quit paying attention.These powers that be, have put alot of time and money into making this happen and if history is any guide they'll be back after regrouping ,I'm in NW pa. and have been out and doing  about this beast,I've talked to alot of people and what I keep finding out is almost no one has ever heard of this thing I mean even the lawmakers, all except one, thought I was joking when I brought this up. It seems they have done a good job keeping this thing quiet,I've got a large folder of hard copy from this site and others that I carry with me everywhere I go these days just so I can show people who think I'm joking that I most certainly am not.I took a flyer into a health food store today the owner had not heard of this but was very enthused about fighting it said he'll print up more (LOTS) and pass them out. I said all that to say this If the NAIS/USDA/BIGAG crowd are taking notice of the peoples voice at this point just imagine what they'll do when we get the masses to wake up and start yelling ,we are winning this battle but I'm thinking this is going to take all of us independent types sticking to this for a good long while,Remember ,The Price of Liberty is Eternal Vigilence!!! Ya'll have a great day!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this is indeed a step in the right direction but we have to remain vigilant,it would be like these varmits to make like they&#8217;re going the way we want, then to pull a fast one, especially if we quit paying attention.These powers that be, have put alot of time and money into making this happen and if history is any guide they&#8217;ll be back after regrouping ,I&#8217;m in NW pa. and have been out and doing  about this beast,I&#8217;ve talked to alot of people and what I keep finding out is almost no one has ever heard of this thing I mean even the lawmakers, all except one, thought I was joking when I brought this up. It seems they have done a good job keeping this thing quiet,I&#8217;ve got a large folder of hard copy from this site and others that I carry with me everywhere I go these days just so I can show people who think I&#8217;m joking that I most certainly am not.I took a flyer into a health food store today the owner had not heard of this but was very enthused about fighting it said he&#8217;ll print up more (LOTS) and pass them out. I said all that to say this If the NAIS/USDA/BIGAG crowd are taking notice of the peoples voice at this point just imagine what they&#8217;ll do when we get the masses to wake up and start yelling ,we are winning this battle but I&#8217;m thinking this is going to take all of us independent types sticking to this for a good long while,Remember ,The Price of Liberty is Eternal Vigilence!!! Ya&#8217;ll have a great day!!!
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		<title>by: LEE</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/05/wisconsin-depopulating-vermont/#comment-1520</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 02:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>HI,Celeste,yes and I always make copies of everthing for future ref.your right it is a shell game,but we will win this one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI,Celeste,yes and I always make copies of everthing for future ref.your right it is a shell game,but we will win this one!
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		<title>by: Henwhisperer</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/05/wisconsin-depopulating-vermont/#comment-1514</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 17:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/05/wisconsin-depopulating-vermont/#comment-1514</guid>
					<description>This is my letter to the editor in full as I sent it out to various online newspaper letter to the editor submission sites. The information came from a post that Mark Bosma made to the birdfanciers group. What incensed me was the part about how a virus &quot;you never can get rid of it out of the premises.&quot;

Vermont Agency of Agriculture Speaks Out About Their Plans To Kill Backyard Flocks

The Vermont Agency of Agriculture (AoA) has put forward a large effort to use the potential possible risk of Avian Flu as their justification for premises id, the first step in three steps outlined by the National Animal Identification System. The recent Appropriations Bill not withstanding, the fact is that there is enough historical evidence to more than suggest that the AoA means to go the rest of the distance, individual animal tagging and tracking of animal movements. Premises id is not acceptable when you understand that it is the gate to the whole program.

Mark Bosma, Public Information Officer for the AoA, has made it clear that when they perceive (or get orders from the Feds) that bird flu has hit these shores they will commence &quot;depopulating&quot; backyard flocks.

According to Bosma there are three reasons why an entire flock will be depopulated with a confirmed positive case of High Path AI, even if all the birds are not showing clinical signs.

1. The virus can persist in the remaining birds and you never can get rid of it out of the premises.
2. There is some concern that as the virus persists it can drift and/or shift into a more virulent strain that can jeopardize the health of the farmer. Pandemic Concerns
3. Our trading partners will demand that we depopulate the farm infected with HPAI in order to resume trade. The international community calls this practice &quot;stamping out&quot; of the virus.

According to my research, the virus does not live long outside of a host.  Dr Kamaruddin, a Malaysian veternarian, said the virus has a rather short life span outside its host and the longest the virus could survive is about four days or 96 hours, less if the carcass is left in the sun. This is a scare tactic by the AoA.

Our &quot;trading partners&quot;? Who are they? I raise food for myself, as do many small farmers, homesteaders and hobbyists here in Vermont. What does an international trading partner have to do with my 12 hens?

It is important to remember that USDA/APHIS/NIAA started NAIS to insure foreign beef export business for the largest factory farms. You know, Tysons and Cargill, the ones who closed down on Monday, May 1st because their illegal immigrant workers wanted to attend the protests.

Backyard flocks are being made the victims of Avian Flu, but it has nothing to do with the virus itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my letter to the editor in full as I sent it out to various online newspaper letter to the editor submission sites. The information came from a post that Mark Bosma made to the birdfanciers group. What incensed me was the part about how a virus &#8220;you never can get rid of it out of the premises.&#8221;</p>
<p>Vermont Agency of Agriculture Speaks Out About Their Plans To Kill Backyard Flocks</p>
<p>The Vermont Agency of Agriculture (AoA) has put forward a large effort to use the potential possible risk of Avian Flu as their justification for premises id, the first step in three steps outlined by the National Animal Identification System. The recent Appropriations Bill not withstanding, the fact is that there is enough historical evidence to more than suggest that the AoA means to go the rest of the distance, individual animal tagging and tracking of animal movements. Premises id is not acceptable when you understand that it is the gate to the whole program.</p>
<p>Mark Bosma, Public Information Officer for the AoA, has made it clear that when they perceive (or get orders from the Feds) that bird flu has hit these shores they will commence &#8220;depopulating&#8221; backyard flocks.</p>
<p>According to Bosma there are three reasons why an entire flock will be depopulated with a confirmed positive case of High Path AI, even if all the birds are not showing clinical signs.</p>
<p>1. The virus can persist in the remaining birds and you never can get rid of it out of the premises.<br />
2. There is some concern that as the virus persists it can drift and/or shift into a more virulent strain that can jeopardize the health of the farmer. Pandemic Concerns<br />
3. Our trading partners will demand that we depopulate the farm infected with HPAI in order to resume trade. The international community calls this practice &#8220;stamping out&#8221; of the virus.</p>
<p>According to my research, the virus does not live long outside of a host.  Dr Kamaruddin, a Malaysian veternarian, said the virus has a rather short life span outside its host and the longest the virus could survive is about four days or 96 hours, less if the carcass is left in the sun. This is a scare tactic by the AoA.</p>
<p>Our &#8220;trading partners&#8221;? Who are they? I raise food for myself, as do many small farmers, homesteaders and hobbyists here in Vermont. What does an international trading partner have to do with my 12 hens?</p>
<p>It is important to remember that USDA/APHIS/NIAA started NAIS to insure foreign beef export business for the largest factory farms. You know, Tysons and Cargill, the ones who closed down on Monday, May 1st because their illegal immigrant workers wanted to attend the protests.</p>
<p>Backyard flocks are being made the victims of Avian Flu, but it has nothing to do with the virus itself.
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		<title>by: rooster-lover</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/05/wisconsin-depopulating-vermont/#comment-1505</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 20:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oops! Correction to my previous post:  That should be International ALLIANCE (not Association) for Sustainable  Agriculture, now known as Alliance for Sustainability (they just updated their  webiste and apparently changed their name at the same time, probably because they now deal with more than agriculture) -- their homepage is at: 
http://www.mtn.org/iasa/
The org has not yet take a public stand on NAIS, but Terry Gips, agricultural economist and one of the original founders, is anti enough to pass around my emails :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! Correction to my previous post:  That should be International ALLIANCE (not Association) for Sustainable  Agriculture, now known as Alliance for Sustainability (they just updated their  webiste and apparently changed their name at the same time, probably because they now deal with more than agriculture) &#8212; their homepage is at:<br />
<a href='http://www.mtn.org/iasa/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mtn.org/iasa/</a><br />
The org has not yet take a public stand on NAIS, but Terry Gips, agricultural economist and one of the original founders, is anti enough to pass around my emails :)
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		<title>by: DeanAFOSI (IOWA)</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/05/wisconsin-depopulating-vermont/#comment-1502</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 18:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Everyone, 
it is becoming apparent, that &quot;We the People's&quot; fight for Our right to retain Freedom and Liberty, from Government Intrusion and Violation of Our God Given Constitutional Rights, IS HAVING AN EFFECT on Our government.
 
In reading the various groups AGAINST NAIS, and NoNAIS, it is obvious, the PRO- NAIS people and Government, are stepping up, &quot;THEIR&quot; propaganda, to discredit, if possible, by &quot;ANY&quot; means, example; just emotional, no facts, distorting facts, changing the truths, to their own, etc,etc,......
 
&quot;We the People&quot; are collectively having a positive effect against NAIS, and as a United body with the, God given RIGHT's to do so, as well as the Authority, of our Fore Father's spilled blood, (in FIGHTING for YOU and YOUR children), so that they could give to YOU, 
 
Freedom and Liberty, known as  The Constitution. As well as Freedom from government Intrusion and Violation of you and your animals.
 
The Rogue Government people, KNOW that they have &quot;no&quot; TRUE authority or power, other than &quot;de facto&quot; power thru manipulation, diversion, terrorism, fear mongering, etc.etc. 
 
to convince a &quot;sane&quot; man or woman, that NAIS is good for ALL. 
 
It is not, it is only going to benefit the privileged few called Agri-Biz, and Govi-Biz, and is being put in place for the benefit of the unholy global alliance. 
 
Identifying and killing (in 48 hours), your pony for your daughter, or your lawn mowing sheep, in the front yard, is no more, going to stop disease, or convince Japan to buy beef, or protect you in any way, other than to allow the Government to &quot;control&quot; the food chain, all the way down to your table plate. 
 
You will eat what they say, and at what price they dictate, NOT you eating what you choose to or where you choose to buy your food. 
 
NAIS is about &quot;control of the masses.&quot;
 
Good People, I say:
&quot;Now is the time, to put behind you, the thoughts, that I will just be quiet, everything bad will go away, and I will stay &quot;comfortable&quot; in my own world.&quot;
 
&quot;Now is the time, for all &quot;Good&quot; people, man, woman, and child, to stand up, be counted, and FIGHT this tyranny about to bestow itself in your life of comfort, never to leave you, if you do not &quot;act&quot; now.
 
I am not fear mongering, my good people, I am speaking from on &quot;HIGH' the truth, to which, you need to listen to....I did not say......&quot;hear;&quot;   I said, &quot;listen&quot; to.
 
Everyone, can hear what goes on around you, but it is only a few, that &quot;listen&quot; to the &quot;signs&quot; of the ensign, and take &quot;action&quot; to thwart the disaster, approaching them an you.
 
Sacrifice a little comfort, for you, your children, and family, which does include animals, as pets, and traditional rights of raising your own food for honorable consumption,  and respect for the animals, and their lives also.
 
The &quot;government sponsored propaganda&quot; is on the rise my good People, because YOU , each and every one of YOU, have made a conscious decision to FIGHT NAIS, and............
 
IT IS WORKING!
 
Dean Ayers
Glenwood, Iowa 51534-6218
DeanAFOSI@aol.com
IOWANS AGAINST NAIS
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Iowans_Against_NAIS/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone,<br />
it is becoming apparent, that &#8220;We the People&#8217;s&#8221; fight for Our right to retain Freedom and Liberty, from Government Intrusion and Violation of Our God Given Constitutional Rights, IS HAVING AN EFFECT on Our government.</p>
<p>In reading the various groups AGAINST NAIS, and NoNAIS, it is obvious, the PRO- NAIS people and Government, are stepping up, &#8220;THEIR&#8221; propaganda, to discredit, if possible, by &#8220;ANY&#8221; means, example; just emotional, no facts, distorting facts, changing the truths, to their own, etc,etc,&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;We the People&#8221; are collectively having a positive effect against NAIS, and as a United body with the, God given RIGHT&#8217;s to do so, as well as the Authority, of our Fore Father&#8217;s spilled blood, (in FIGHTING for YOU and YOUR children), so that they could give to YOU, </p>
<p>Freedom and Liberty, known as  The Constitution. As well as Freedom from government Intrusion and Violation of you and your animals.</p>
<p>The Rogue Government people, KNOW that they have &#8220;no&#8221; TRUE authority or power, other than &#8220;de facto&#8221; power thru manipulation, diversion, terrorism, fear mongering, etc.etc. </p>
<p>to convince a &#8220;sane&#8221; man or woman, that NAIS is good for ALL. </p>
<p>It is not, it is only going to benefit the privileged few called Agri-Biz, and Govi-Biz, and is being put in place for the benefit of the unholy global alliance. </p>
<p>Identifying and killing (in 48 hours), your pony for your daughter, or your lawn mowing sheep, in the front yard, is no more, going to stop disease, or convince Japan to buy beef, or protect you in any way, other than to allow the Government to &#8220;control&#8221; the food chain, all the way down to your table plate. </p>
<p>You will eat what they say, and at what price they dictate, NOT you eating what you choose to or where you choose to buy your food. </p>
<p>NAIS is about &#8220;control of the masses.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good People, I say:<br />
&#8220;Now is the time, to put behind you, the thoughts, that I will just be quiet, everything bad will go away, and I will stay &#8220;comfortable&#8221; in my own world.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Now is the time, for all &#8220;Good&#8221; people, man, woman, and child, to stand up, be counted, and FIGHT this tyranny about to bestow itself in your life of comfort, never to leave you, if you do not &#8220;act&#8221; now.</p>
<p>I am not fear mongering, my good people, I am speaking from on &#8220;HIGH&#8217; the truth, to which, you need to listen to&#8230;.I did not say&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;hear;&#8221;   I said, &#8220;listen&#8221; to.</p>
<p>Everyone, can hear what goes on around you, but it is only a few, that &#8220;listen&#8221; to the &#8220;signs&#8221; of the ensign, and take &#8220;action&#8221; to thwart the disaster, approaching them an you.</p>
<p>Sacrifice a little comfort, for you, your children, and family, which does include animals, as pets, and traditional rights of raising your own food for honorable consumption,  and respect for the animals, and their lives also.</p>
<p>The &#8220;government sponsored propaganda&#8221; is on the rise my good People, because YOU , each and every one of YOU, have made a conscious decision to FIGHT NAIS, and&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>IT IS WORKING!</p>
<p>Dean Ayers<br />
Glenwood, Iowa 51534-6218<br />
<a href="mailto:DeanAFOSI@aol.com">DeanAFOSI@aol.com</a><br />
IOWANS AGAINST NAIS<br />
<a href='http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Iowans_Against_NAIS/' rel='nofollow'>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Iowans_Against_NAIS/</a>
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		<title>by: walterj</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/05/wisconsin-depopulating-vermont/#comment-1501</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 17:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>David, I don't see a conflict. Can you explain? Maybe I missed something. Personally I think the government should neither ban nor mandate. It is a violation of people's rights either way. Government should look out for us, not in at us. -WJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I don&#8217;t see a conflict. Can you explain? Maybe I missed something. Personally I think the government should neither ban nor mandate. It is a violation of people&#8217;s rights either way. Government should look out for us, not in at us. -WJ
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		<title>by: rooster-lover</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/05/wisconsin-depopulating-vermont/#comment-1493</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 15:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>RE: New England, I'm on the mailing list for the Northeast Organic Farmers Association (NOFA) -- they not only are against NAIS, the Massachussetts branch has hired an activist to work against it (YEAH!) Their excellent position statement is at:

http://www.nofamass.org/news/nais_position.php 

I got on this list because of contacting Terry Gips at International Assn for Sustainable Agriculture (IASA) in March 2006. He had never heard of NAIS -- and forwarded my email to his list, which included NOFA.  Turns out NOFA found out about NAIS about the same time a loto fo us littel guys did -- back around the beginning of 2006.  

Now I ask myself:  If the USDA was dialoguing with farmers on this as they claim, why wasn't a major org like NOFA notified?  How come IASA never heard of it?  Could it be because the &quot;farmers&quot; they were talking with were all judst the Big Meat folks who wanted it to begin with?  In clergyman's jargon that's known as &quot;preaching to the choir&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: New England, I&#8217;m on the mailing list for the Northeast Organic Farmers Association (NOFA) &#8212; they not only are against NAIS, the Massachussetts branch has hired an activist to work against it (YEAH!) Their excellent position statement is at:</p>
<p><a href='http://www.nofamass.org/news/nais_position.php' rel='nofollow'>http://www.nofamass.org/news/nais_position.php</a> </p>
<p>I got on this list because of contacting Terry Gips at International Assn for Sustainable Agriculture (IASA) in March 2006. He had never heard of NAIS &#8212; and forwarded my email to his list, which included NOFA.  Turns out NOFA found out about NAIS about the same time a loto fo us littel guys did &#8212; back around the beginning of 2006.  </p>
<p>Now I ask myself:  If the USDA was dialoguing with farmers on this as they claim, why wasn&#8217;t a major org like NOFA notified?  How come IASA never heard of it?  Could it be because the &#8220;farmers&#8221; they were talking with were all judst the Big Meat folks who wanted it to begin with?  In clergyman&#8217;s jargon that&#8217;s known as &#8220;preaching to the choir&#8221;&#8230;
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		<title>by: Celeste</title>
		<link>http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/05/wisconsin-depopulating-vermont/#comment-1492</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 14:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Lee-IMPORTANT! Always make hardcopy or save to your computer, even partial cache info.  It is &quot;shell game time&quot;  Things are being &quot;sanitized&quot; then put back fresh &amp;#38; clean.  That is probably what you ran into ninto. Even when we quote facts, the quotes often evolve into &quot;misinformation&quot; due to the fact information has dissappeared off website.  We just have to be prepared for this tactic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee-IMPORTANT! Always make hardcopy or save to your computer, even partial cache info.  It is &#8220;shell game time&#8221;  Things are being &#8220;sanitized&#8221; then put back fresh &amp; clean.  That is probably what you ran into ninto. Even when we quote facts, the quotes often evolve into &#8220;misinformation&#8221; due to the fact information has dissappeared off website.  We just have to be prepared for this tactic.
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