Comments on: VT False Voluntary Premise ID http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/ Protect our traditional rights to farm Thu, 17 May 2012 02:50:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Kamatu http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1424 Thu, 04 May 2006 18:15:04 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1424 Thank you Dr. Rood. Neil W., all Dr. Rood could say is that to the best of his knowledge, no, but with the caveat that he can't know everything subordinates and others do. Thank you Dr. Rood.

Neil W., all Dr. Rood could say is that to the best of his knowledge, no, but with the caveat that he can’t know everything subordinates and others do.

]]> by: Celeste http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1423 Thu, 04 May 2006 18:14:50 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1423 Dr. Rood-What is your definiton of "voluntary"? Dr. Rood-What is your definiton of “voluntary”?

]]> by: Neil W. http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1420 Thu, 04 May 2006 16:06:10 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1420 Dr. Rood; Thank you for responding. As a follow-up question I wish to ask, are you stating that there is absolutely no chance that a premise might be signed-up without the owner's express consent? That there is no case of anyone in Vermont being signed up to premise id simply by registering birds at a swap meet? (example) And also, to your knowledge, are all premises that have been registered in Vermont given some confirmation of their registration? So that it would be impossible for anyone to be registered without their knowledge? Thank you. Dr. Rood;
Thank you for responding. As a follow-up question I wish to ask, are you stating that there is absolutely no chance that a premise might be signed-up without the owner’s express consent? That there is no case of anyone in Vermont being signed up to premise id simply by registering birds at a swap meet? (example)

And also, to your knowledge, are all premises that have been registered in Vermont given some confirmation of their registration? So that it would be impossible for anyone to be registered without their knowledge?

Thank you.

]]> by: Sue Karber http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1413 Thu, 04 May 2006 07:00:28 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1413 Thank you for answering about the Vermont's definition of "voluntary". Maybe you are too just one of those in USDA that does not have a clue of the real agenda of USDA, INC. This is the commercial <a href="http://www.biordc.com">site</a> for the USDA and it's partners. It is answerable and under the control of the USDA. Really is interesting when investigated for all it's implications profits, power and control and then regulates to their favor.... Thank you for answering about the Vermont’s definition of “voluntary”. Maybe you are too just one of those in USDA that does not have a clue of the real agenda of USDA, INC.

This is the commercial site for the USDA and it’s partners. It is answerable and under the control of the USDA. Really is interesting when investigated for all it’s implications profits, power and control and then regulates to their favor….

]]> by: Kerry Rood http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1405 Wed, 03 May 2006 21:04:08 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1405 My apologies to Kamatu and Neil W. as I thought I had replied today in a lengthy correspondence with the host of NONAIS.ORG. The premises registration system is voluntary. As a voluntary system, there is a mechanism in place to "un-register" your site, just like a system is in place to change contact information, sale of premises, etc. Here in Vermont, those registering have to sign up on-line or by filling out and signing a premises registration form. That is the only way they will be registered. This supports the definition of "voluntary". My apologies to Kamatu and Neil W. as I thought I had replied today in a lengthy correspondence with the host of NONAIS.ORG.

The premises registration system is voluntary. As a voluntary system, there is a mechanism in place to “un-register” your site, just like a system is in place to change contact information, sale of premises, etc.

Here in Vermont, those registering have to sign up on-line or by filling out and signing a premises registration form. That is the only way they will be registered. This supports the definition of “voluntary”.

]]> by: Neil W. http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1403 Wed, 03 May 2006 20:33:09 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1403 To Kamatu and all other interested persons: It appears that Dr. Rood does in fact read this forum, however he chooses NOT to repond when the questions/comments get too tough. For one brief moment, I thought that perhaps we had a state official (Dr. Rood) who might wish to engage in intelligent correspondence. But alas, that does not appear to be the case. Dr. Rood; we would very much appreciate your participation on this forum! To Kamatu and all other interested persons:

It appears that Dr. Rood does in fact read this forum, however he chooses NOT to repond when the questions/comments get too tough.

For one brief moment, I thought that perhaps we had a state official (Dr. Rood) who might wish to engage in intelligent correspondence. But alas, that does not appear to be the case.

Dr. Rood; we would very much appreciate your participation on this forum!

]]> by: Sallie http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1384 Tue, 02 May 2006 21:13:17 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1384 When we purchased this little ranch three years ago I was asking a lot of questions of our local FSA which is of course USDA regarding arial photographs of our property and other questions regarding what one has to do to be able to raise animals in our county and government grants/loans etc. In the go round that insued I somehow got signed up for the monthly newsletter and not once have I seen anything regarding NAIS in that newsletter. I am wondering if when I signed up for the newsletter I was automatically registered for the premis ID or whatever..? This is in Virginia. Just curious if anyone else has experienced anything like this? Sallie When we purchased this little ranch three years ago I was asking a lot of questions of our local FSA which is of course USDA regarding arial photographs of our property and other questions regarding what one has to do to be able to raise animals in our county and government grants/loans etc. In the go round that insued I somehow got signed up for the monthly newsletter and not once have I seen anything regarding NAIS in that newsletter. I am wondering if when I signed up for the newsletter I was automatically registered for the premis ID or whatever..? This is in Virginia. Just curious if anyone else has experienced anything like this?
Sallie

]]> by: Kamatu http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1379 Tue, 02 May 2006 12:37:47 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1379 If Dr. Rood reads this, could we get a clear and direct statement on whether or not one can unregister a premises in VT, however they were registered, since this is just a "voluntary at this time" program? If Dr. Rood reads this, could we get a clear and direct statement on whether or not one can unregister a premises in VT, however they were registered, since this is just a “voluntary at this time” program?

]]> by: Betty Rogers http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1376 Tue, 02 May 2006 01:14:06 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1376 Awful, Just sneaky and unconstitutional ..our rights are vanishing before our eyes... Have you heard of the Pinon Canyon Expansion Proposal .. Its a government take over of 750,000 acres that will displaces farmers, ranchers , retires like myself from there family farms and little towns for a Us Army training program... Its an Eminent domain thing that we will get Penny's on the dollar and that's if we are lucky,with no say from the land owners.... Check it out on the net .. Its in Colorado .. Wont have to worrying about fighting having to register our farms they'll own them and we will have our lives and homes go up in smoke..with no replacement think they will pay moving costs Hah! .Sounds like Communist old Russia and this is the land of the free and the home of the brave...Sounds like they are making us out as nincompoops or treating like it! Betty Rodgers Awful, Just sneaky and unconstitutional ..our rights are vanishing before our eyes… Have you heard of the Pinon Canyon Expansion Proposal .. Its a government take over of 750,000 acres that will displaces farmers, ranchers , retires like myself from there family farms and little towns for a Us Army training program… Its an Eminent domain thing that we will get Penny’s on the dollar and that’s if we are lucky,with no say from the land owners…. Check it out on the net .. Its in Colorado .. Wont have to worrying about fighting having to register our farms they’ll own them and we will have our lives and homes go up in smoke..with no replacement think they will pay moving costs Hah! .Sounds like Communist old Russia and this is the land of the free and the home of the brave…Sounds like they are making us out as nincompoops or treating like it!
Betty Rodgers

]]> by: Henwhisperer http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1373 Tue, 02 May 2006 00:31:52 +0000 http://NoNAIS.org/2006/05/01/vt-false-voluntary-premise-id/#comment-1373 About unvoluntary premises registration, Mark Bosma, Public Information Officer, said on Vermont Bird Fanciers: This is the question posed 2.) If our registration were truly voluntary, is it then possible for members to unregister their premises? This is Mark Bosma's answer *It is possible to unregister. Call us. If you are registered and you didn't request it, then call the Agency to get unregistered. Like I believe it would be that easy, but, folks it is in writing. <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Vermontbirdfanciersclub/message/2619">link</a> About unvoluntary premises registration, Mark Bosma, Public Information Officer, said on Vermont Bird Fanciers:
This is the question posed
2.) If our registration were truly voluntary, is it then possible for members to unregister their premises?
This is Mark Bosma’s answer
*It is possible to unregister. Call us.

If you are registered and you didn’t request it, then call the Agency to get unregistered.

Like I believe it would be that easy, but, folks it is in writing.

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